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Hello CSUB fandom friends, it’s your host, Idallas!

I’m here with Vanessa and today’s topic will be Helluva Boss.

Now, to warn the audience before, this show is an adult show so it covers a wide range of things and so some things you’d be seeing in there are sexual content and profanity and extreme violence.

So if you’re not okay with it, don’t watch.

But you can also find this on YouTube.

Alright, so to begin, first point, cartoons?

Kids?

Adults?

There’s a difference.

Vanessa, what do you think?

I personally think that a lot of animation these days, it’s becoming more adult content, especially with like Helluva Boss is a great example and some other ones that I can’t think of, especially when the anime community, there’s a lot more anime that are being curated for adult content than they are for children and I think there needs to be more like moderation of what kids watch because a lot of it is not for them.

It’s kind of concerning of what they watch too.

I totally agree with that especially considering like Helluva Boss and Has Been Hotel, when they were first getting conceptualized, we seen them on literally a platform that almost every kid uses, which is YouTube and Helluva Boss being available to watch on YouTube is a big point of contention and a lot of people, there’s a big discourse with parents not watching what their kids are watching and it’s a funny story for, at least for me, is my little sister coming into, I was in my mom’s room, I want to say at the time, and she was talking about, what’s Has Been Hotel?

And I was like, something you shouldn’t be watching.

Get your little butt to go watch something else.

So it’s things like that where it’s just parents need to monitor their kids and what they’re watching.

Just because something’s animated doesn’t mean it’s for kids.

It’s very much, this show especially, very much an adult show.

So what themes in the show resonate with you the most being an adult?

I feel like it’s more of the mental health content and especially with how they go about how they talk as an adult.

A lot of the shows I feel like I’ve been watching, they don’t really use profanity and if they use profanity, it’s kind of like, oh I used it.

But I feel like this one it’s more normal, similar to how I use it in everyday content or everyday talking too.

So it helps a lot more too.

And I’m watching their relationships too.

I feel like they’re more real and more like adult too than just, hey, I like you.

I’m gonna go out with you type thing.

Yeah, I totally get that.

For me at least, especially when you’re talking about like, oh like the cussing and all of this seems normal.

The portrayal of relationships seems a lot normal.

Especially for characters who are not human.

It’s such an interesting aspect at least for me to see the, to see it taken out of the human context and being like, well I can relate to them too even though they’re demons.

So what do you think makes Helluva Boss for adults beyond just literally the swearing and the violence?

I think the relationships I feel like was the biggest aspect I’ve seen.

It’s not just like, again, like I mentioned earlier, it was a lot of shows they’d usually go about like, oh hey, I like you.

I’m gonna go out with you.

Helluva Boss doesn’t really do that.

It’s more of like, hey, there’s a thing going on especially in Helluva Boss.

I think the best relationship to go over is like Blitz and Solace.

They have a more transactional relationship at the start but then you can see them like starting to slowly get interested into each other and fall in love with them.

But that doesn’t really happen in other shows or go about it more realistically.

I feel like this, this one at least it made more, it felt more real especially with how Blitz and Solace were reacting to the relationship and how they were coming across of like realizing their feelings.

A spoiler warning for the audience at home but on the topic of Blitz and Solace, their big head when we finally see Solace basically telling Blitz, I don’t want this to be transactional.

I want you to want me and not for just this thing that we originally had stated.

And Blitz’s character and all the trauma he’s dealt with and so he takes it very wrong and it causes this big old fight.

My favorite scene so far has literally been him going to a whole party dedicated towards people hating him.

Yeah.

All the people that he’s essentially messed with and hurt so badly and just having to go around saying sorry to people.

Yeah.

And having to watch Solace interact with somebody that’s not him and really realizing like, dang I messed up and I messed up big.

Yeah and then the other thing about that party too is that you realize who Blitz had more of a connection with.

Like I forgot her name.

Veruska?

I can’t say her name.

Verossica.

Verossica, there you go.

Yeah but with Verossica he had a more like talk to talk than compared to someone like, I think it was Dennis.

Someone he’s just like screw you Dennis.

But you could see Dennis was so like affected by Blitz and Blitz was like I don’t care about you.

But you could see him like realizing I’ve affected so many people.

And I feel like that relates a lot to reality too.

We don’t realize how many people we’ve hurt in our lives until we actually see them being in pain or you know see the consequences of what happened.

And especially with how Blitz reacted to Solace, he started realizing it’s more than just me like you know being a transactional relationship.

It’s more of Blitz saying I like him now and realizing that too.

Yeah and we see it too later in the episodes when we’re seeing Blitz literally fall apart realizing that dang I really did mess up but I really like this person.

And you and you see it too right before their fallout.

When he’s going around already with the insecurity in his head that oh he’s getting bored of me because somebody’s telling him oh he’s got bored for you already that’s why he’s not seeing you as much.

But on the topic of his all of his exes and that talk he had just for her to even realize and kind of get some closure on the idea that yeah he’s wanting to change now so something’s different.

It may not have been for me but at least it’s for somebody.

Yeah.

And I’m glad that they’re exploring this part of the show where we’re seeing the progression because you see it from the beginning because obviously Blitz and the whole and the whole crew are literally our main characters but you’re seeing it slowly develop over time.

And I like that too where I’m at in this show at least that he’s not only developing his relationship and trying to fix things with Stolas but he’s also fixing it with like Moxie.

Yeah.

And so it’s such an interesting thing to see and I think it really does play into the these are adult themes especially for us being in college just like you see a whole of this nonsense going around.

You can see this stuff playing around and playing out especially with like people that are considered players and that don’t want to face up to the emotions that they have.

Yeah and I think another thing that like hit me in that specific episode was how Verasico told Blitz let him explore.

Let him have a break.

Yes.

Because he needed it.

And I feel like a lot of people today they still need to hear that.

Originally I had to tell a friend that and I was like you need a break.

You need to figure out what you need to do and what this person also needs to do.

Are you happy in your relationship right now?

And I think that like I think what Verasico said meant a lot to Blitz at that time too because he didn’t realize it either.

Yeah because I mean you see it from the beginning when she’s first introduced just this deep hatred that they have for each other but they come to a common understanding by the end of that episode that it’s just like oh yeah like yeah you hate me for a reason and I need a change but in order to do that I can’t like because we we see him in the beginning of the episode trying to go and like break into Stolas’ house to get in touch with him again and it’s just like yeah that he needs space.

He needs to really see yeah see if this is actually what he wants and it’s understandable because Blitz did hurt him.

Yeah.

So I totally get that.

Okay now character dynamic discourse.

Let’s break down some characters.

Who is your favorite and why?

Personally for me it has to be Blitz mainly because I feel like I can connect with him especially with his traumatic background and his PTSD.

I also have PTSD and also traumatic background so I understand what he’s going through and then especially with how he he tries to balance his relationships I feel like I connected with that a lot.

I struggled a lot when I was younger and especially when I got older I realized a lot of things wasn’t working out and watching Blitz go through that I was like these are some of the things or like some of the thoughts I had too when I was younger.

Like I’ve always wanted to like disconnect from people or like push him away whenever things got really tough I stopped losing trust in them and Blitz was the same way and especially as I’m watching him now and falling in love I was like okay I think I’m realizing more things about myself than I have been in like ages.

And I think that’s such a powerful point to touch on because when we’re relating to characters we’re seeing ourselves through them a lot of the time and like you said you’re seeing yourself in Blitz and I can understand that too because Blitz uses humor as this coping mechanism yeah so coping mechanism and he’s and you see such a profound deep hatred for himself like it like back to back to the hatred party her realizing that he’s there and that he’s probably the one who hates himself more than you’d be in that room it’s such an interesting thing to see this explosive this this person who’s usually like so explosive in their reaction so quick with you know fighting whoever’s gonna fight him and seeing just him like kind of breaking down like you peel back that humor you peel back the anger and you’re left with just the pain yeah and I can relate to that specifically especially with anger especially as somebody I’m a full-fire science so go figure out one and I was raised with parents who have a lot of fire in them too so I can completely understand Blitz and like that breakdown yeah and then I think you told me you just finished the episode where Blitz had a full PTSD breakdown episode and I was like I’ve never connected with a character before especially with my PTSD he was just like in shock and like having flashbacks in the moment but then the next few seconds he started snapping back to reality and I feel like that’s like the best representation of what my PTSD episodes look like sometimes you just happen and then I’m just back mm-hmm but I can’t explain that to everybody else cuz everybody else thinks I’m like in this toxic shock syndrome or something like an outer body experience I feel like it depends sometimes they’re like out of body sometimes I just have flashbacks that just randomly happen you know okay okay yeah cuz I know that in this specific episode I forget the guy’s name cuz he doesn’t really matter he’s yeah but yeah the use of like the visual representation for all of like all of the things we see and why he is the way he is but you also see it through like when I was rewatching episode cuz I was rewatching some of the stuff for this episode but the background with like Blitz essentially being sold to Solus yeah and just like all the breakdowns that you can see and how manipulative his parents were yeah especially with the people around him they were all just like using him and then it’s like okay now you understand why he’s the way he is yeah and like like it even goes back down to his best friend and me then best friend again Fizz and which I love Fizz Fizz is just a funny little character I love him and he has his own set of things and they have their own shared history and trauma together but um it’s so interesting to see this character and see what made him turn out the way he is and I think that’s very much representative of how people turn out because all their experiences in their life have made them this way and I’m very glad that this show is very much like it’s it’s not shying away from the nasty and the ugly stuff which is where the kids stuff comes or a big distinction comes in because the kids you can’t talk about these topics yeah obviously kids are not dealing with this type of stuff oh my god yeah I think recently one of the kids came up to me and they were like oh my god which episode are you on and I was like why are you watching this it’s such an awkward thing to be like you shouldn’t be what you really can’t be watching this show exactly and then it’s like I feel bad for the parents or for the adults whoever like watching the kids cuz it’s like how do you explain this to younger kids especially with like the adult beings that are covered in hell of a boss or husband hotel cuz they don’t over they don’t only do profanity it’s like sexually yeah literally they show it there’s so many there’s either alluding to it there’s noises yeah literal like we were just talking about this and all the sex toys that they have yeah and the only reason that they blur some of them are solely for beauty yeah but like it’s like things like that like why are kids watching this show kids shouldn’t be watching this show these are adult yeah and then it’s like how do you like explain what’s going on right especially in the first episode I think it’s both in the pilot and then on the other version I think they have on Amazon but it’s like Silas is going over how he wants blitz to you know get with him and it’s like the most obscene things you can ever imagine believe yeah the bleeps see I love the bleeps and like and things like that just because it just makes it even more absurd yeah it’s like hilarious cuz you start like and putting your own things are right these are very much shows that you can’t watch yeah you have to be like all right let me close yeah let me put my headphones on no one can hear this I’m just like oh and gee um who do you think besides blitz has the most interesting backstory I feel like it would have to be I want to say Stolas mainly cuz it’s like you know the other character on his end but I want to say Luna oh my gosh cuz Luna yeah Luna has such an interesting backstory I want to know more especially since it hasn’t been as covered yet like we know she was adopted and she was in that I don’t even know what that’s called like a shelter I guess yeah essentially yeah but it’s like what happened before why she’s so traumatized from like needles why she’s so like scared to be you know close to blitz I understand that for her it might have been just like oh it’s a new relationship but you could tell there’s something deeper going on and especially when the I think it was the office I think it’s like on the round like the last few episodes where blitz was being prosecuted and they had to be like escorted out and Luna is like putting everything on fire and she grabs the picture of blitz Moxie Millie and her all-in-one photo saying it’s like her first job I think that was like really sentimental because I was like what what why did she do that why don’t you have it like somewhere else why is she displaying it you know you know and obviously I’m not the one who would be able to talk about this but just like you said like I feel it’s so important for them to go over her backstory to see how she ended up in the shelter in the first place because I feel like there’s really a really good opportunity for the showrunners to discuss just that and how that looks like for people because that’s a real thing people go through so and seeing that and seeing how it plays out today to like in her own relationships like the episode diary watch to where she’s at a party and she’s trying to get close to people and it’s just coming off as awkward and it’s like a really like hard thing for her to do I just want to see so much more from her yeah especially since she’s such a big character like lives his life too yeah like you could see he loves that girl yeah he just loves her like literally like it’s such you see it from the beginning just like the tug at his heartstrings when he’s seen her and I’m just like yeah and then I think the other thing was like she’s so petrified of like needles oh my god yeah and yeah and I’m the same way I was like I can connect especially with how she reacted and how Blitz was like fighting her to get a shot in her I was like this is very similar to what I went through yeah just the just him having to spell out shot to yeah I was just like you know what same girl same I was like I don’t want to be poked with needles either and just a big old needle and yeah I was like I’ve been there done that and some people don’t know how to put like how to freaking poke you with a needle so I get her feelings 100% and I was like I feel like there’s another backstory with that too cuz I feel like her reaction was so severe similar to my reaction my reaction ended up being classified as PTSD from my doctor like they just looked at me and she’s like she’s got PTSD yeah and then so I’m wondering if there’s something else going on with that backstory or if she it’s just like an irrational fear you know all right to pull back that layer I really I really am curious to see her more especially since like as comparative like compared to the other characters she doesn’t get shown as much yeah so I totally agree with that and it’s funny cuz one of my questions was literally who’s the character you were most excited to see developing now that way yeah but I’m also I want to see more of like business yeah cuz I think there’s such a cute couple yeah I don’t feel like they’re gonna come up more yeah especially with how stole this and with this current relationship yeah it’s gonna come up yeah it’s gonna come up so much more because now it’s like okay now you have another like powerhouse coming up yeah literally and I think I think now that Blitz and Fizz are talking again it’ll really like cuz literally Fizz gets is in it was in the same position of like not feeling the self-worth to be with somebody of Ozzy’s power magnitude essentially and that’s something that Blitz was dealing with too is just like you’re a prince I’m nothing yeah I’m the lowest of the low here so it’s such an I really hope that they show just them separately talking to each one because they can both relate on on different ends yeah and I think it’s so funny cuz I I forgot his name not Oz but the other oh yeah I think it is us but Oz is still is their dynamic is freaking hilarious cuz it’s like Oz hates Solace cuz he just he’s just the book nerd and I totally get that sometimes you know you’re just like shush just just enough yeah and then Solace is over here like no I think we need like five more minutes like why do you get to like smack him literally a bad but somewhere they got kidnapped and yeah driven insane by the end of the episode Solace is here like now we got to read the fine print yeah and I’m like mood because I would probably be the one because good lord lord only knows what would have been if he had taken that taking the original contract oh my god I know oh my goodness I feel like that was like made yeah and I also really liked that Oz like obviously how he has to have a like a relationship with Solace cuz they’re they’re dealing with their hierarchies there yeah but also how he’s just like yeah my boy doesn’t like yours so I’m not doing anything yeah well I’m okay with him now I guess oh and then later on when Fizzaroli is going to like the clown competition and then he’s like um I kind of need your boyfriend right now it’s a like protect mine yeah he’s like uh like you know we I know I said that he hated him but now it now things have changed oh my god that episode 2 was crazy oh my god I never related to his more I was like cuz for me having a background in like theater and things just like and things like that just the incessant want to be the best and want and and finding self-worth in things like that was just it’s such an interesting thing to see and and how you see when Fizz takes off his hat like I wouldn’t say it’s how or like a horn covers and yeah see his broken horns just for me like with my own scars and my own like visible things that people can see I totally understand why and I and I related to him the most to where he feels like oh I’m not good enough I’m freak I’m not like no one wants to see this side of me yeah and just to see that at the end that no Oz loves you just the way you are yeah don’t worry it’s gonna be okay yeah I like especially like the last clip and it’s like let’s is in the back of the car just watching them make out and it was like so how long has this been going on yeah just him when he sees yeah and he’s just like okay so y’all were lying to me yeah I love that cuz it’s like it’s so natural and real cuz they’re just like you’re watching your two friends start making out and you’re like someone were you gonna tell me this like why am I the last thing you told me everything exactly I feel like that was like the start of their of fizz Aralee’s and blitzes relationship yeah it’s like increasing yeah for sure yeah no that that’s actually a really funny topic to bring up to is blitz like you see him like he’s he’s a very much a hypersexual characters you see him using that as another coping mechanism too yeah so from him trying to be the third but then like the episode we were talking about your favorite episode where he’s telling where Moxie is just like that or he realizes that yeah Moxie considers him her best friend and she basically is just like so you’re not trying to be our third anymore and he’s just like no and she and she and you see this dawn on her face where she’s just like damn soul is really yeah and it’s just like I feel like so many things how they’re playing into each other and just seeing just seeing all these healthy relationships around him and he’s just like why can’t that be me and it’s like boy you need some character development before you even try yeah and I feel like that’s that’s actually another good conversation bring up is Millie Millie it really expanded her character throughout her show I feel like in the beginning it was more like she was just there mainly to just be like you know the comedy comedy really sort of but as you watch the show you’re seeing her like show more of her true self and she’s even had like an episode where she got sick Oh Moxie just being Moxie and I was like I can relate to that sometimes yeah sometimes as somebody who is naturally a lot and who yaps the most I totally relate yeah I’m like dang you know what I get it cuz I’m annoying yeah and especially like the I forgot what episode it was but I know that Octavia gets lost and she goes to LA all of a sudden and then Millie and Moxie are forced to go and a Moxie stops at every like art person oh my god in LA and then Millie’s like getting sick of his shit and at the end of the episode we see them finally like mock they finally find Octavia they’re back in hell and it’s just Millie and Moxie left Millie pulls up the phone to like activate the portal and then Moxie is there like waiting in the background to go and a BAM another person is like behind him like do you want to buy my music and Millie’s like no and she you just see the pile of nonsense yeah and it’s just like all right bye and she did that like legit all for him like that them earning money just exactly and you know why I feel like that’s like a true showcase of my love really is clearly girls she held on yeah she was right there with it she was just like you know what I’m here for everything until she fucking like had it she’s like you’re going she’s like a year and a year then let’s go oh my god I I love all of their dynamic within just like within their little workspace yeah especially with a million blitz yeah oh my god I feel like you could see like their bond becoming more true than it was before because I feel like before it was just like Millie was always hyping up blitz but just because he was a boss but now it’s just like hey we’re going on a eel fishing trip we’re gonna be besties now literally I just I love I’d love to see how everything progresses and everything’s there’s so many moving parts within the show and just to see them like move together slowly but surely I just love that okay now pivoting fan theories this is the part I was most excited for when we were discussing this stuff before this episode okay and and it’s funny because we actually brought this up so do you think character trauma is deeply intertwined with the way the show works I absolutely 100% think so especially with how they’ve been showing the backgrounds of solace and let’s splits especially uh-huh with the fire you can see him like every time something happens the fire is always coming back from his memories but I think it’s helping him or you could see him starting to let it go and realize like he’s starting to not blame himself for it because it was truly an accident when you watch it go yeah yeah like it he really didn’t mean to do that but so many things like happened after that I mean we see that was the catalyst for fizz and his relationship falling apart even though it was a misunderstanding we see his mother who we assume dies in the fire I forget if his father died the fire I think his father survived I can’t remember I can’t remember how it’s been a minute I did I was like I didn’t watch the first season I was like I already know what I’m talking about let’s go into the second yeah I know for sure his mother burned away or passed away yeah and then his sister was also affected but she’s still alive oh yeah you could see their relationship yeah it’s no longer there and I was like that sibling relationship it’s so close to home because that’s how my relationship with my sibling is right now we don’t get along because of a certain like thing that happened in the past and like we haven’t tried to like bond over it or anything ever since because it’s just it’s just really hard to go for it oh yeah and then him he’s constantly trying to get her on the path because this character is um drugged out to say the least like she’s constantly on drugs like even in the episode where Millie and Moxie are sent to the human realm and they’re dealing with all that stuff and Blitz is trying to find her and she ends up being right at the camp too he’s more of like heroin okay that’s nothing yeah like that’s the normal stuff that’s painkiller right there yeah but like I want to see more of why their relationship deteriorated because you see like this animosity where she’s just like leave me alone yeah I know why you’re here go away yeah well I actually have a theory it’s me I think it’s because it’s the same reason why Fizz and Blitz too because when we see Blitz and Fizz talking again after reuniting during the kidnapping scene but Fizz tells Blitz like I was always told that you never came I was always told that you started the fire so I wonder if it’s the same for the sister because we know Blitz wasn’t as injured as everybody else probably in a circus but his sister was definitely affected so I wonder if she was in the hospital longer right and that’s when people started telling her like certain things or she started hearing things and now she’s like I don’t want to be near you I don’t be close to you or any of that okay this is just something I was thinking about like bringing it up but you know how technically Blitz was bought for Stolas oh yeah maybe the father like Stolas’s father had something to do with like all of that like trying to keep him separate so that he would only focus on Stolas yeah interesting okay what theory do you think fans are sleeping on oh fans are sleeping on yeah I don’t know I get that oh it’s like I love the theories on the hell rings and how you know the interconnections between has been and hella buck since they come in they are in the same universe yeah how do you think that they’re gonna how they’re gonna tie them in because they are supposed to oh yeah I have a feeling because a lot of the cast in has been hotel their or their overlords they’re not like those seven sins however the only thing that’s different between halva and has been so far hell of our has more like the seven ringleaders I forgot what they’re called and then has been has all the overlords except they have one of those ringleaders and that’s Lucifer mm-hmm I think that’s how they’re gonna tie them in because on the last episode of hell of a I think that’s when let’s go support we see all of them there and you know who’s running the ring right now it’s Satan not Lucifer so I have a feeling Oz and be they’re gonna try and get Lucifer back that makes sense yeah I’ve been caught up with husband hotels I’m over here like oh wait on that yeah it’s one of those things around like the shows obviously I’m gonna take animation takes a long time so I’m like I can wait yeah that’s how I am too Lucy’s my favorite character so I’m like mmm I hope he comes into I hope he comes in the show cuz I would really like to see his dynamic with like what the just in her working so like blitz and stuff like that because I can see him really mean like judging so hard I mean like bro I want to see the dynamics between all of the hell of us characters with Lucifer and Charlie oh yeah I feel like Lucifer is just gonna lose his shit trying to like protect her everything yeah and she’s gonna be like I can fix that yeah yeah but also I’d love to see how Lucy just is like why is there so much relationship drama and why is it not just Jesus cuz he has this drama with his wife XY yeah I can’t well technically wipes I don’t think they’re I think they’re divorced yeah very strange for sure which that’s actually a great like fan theory to bring up is who the heck is Lilith oh yeah cuz I think we see like a glimpse of her within has been hotel I like one of the end of that so it’s just a glimpse of her like sitting on a beach supposedly right so then it’s like do you think she’s helping her or do you think she’s helping heaven or do you think she’s messing with Lucifer or doing all these things yeah no I totally I totally can see that too for me personally I wonder if if because now that they’re intertwined and able to cross over if she’s gonna have a role to play within the hell of a boss universe yeah because we see her and we see that she’s already working with angels as it is so I wonder the inner workings of the deal and how that’s gonna play out and if it affects the rings and if it affects them and how and obviously we’re gonna see Blitz and the whole cast just dealing with that yes do so I’m excited to see it oh so a theory this is like not a theory but it isn’t you think Blitz and souls last you think they’re gonna make it work I considering where this show is going absolutely I think they’re gonna last I think it they’re just going they’re gonna figure it out obviously they still have to figure it out with Octavia yeah Octavia is like the next step oh yeah and there and I feel like Luna’s actually played a big part in in helping her too because she understands like this weird dynamic that’s going on yeah and then especially in the last episode you can see Luna just coming to help Stolas but he’s just so depressed and just out of it mm-hmm and I think that connections already there between Stolas and Luna and Luna with Octavia but Octavia and Blitz that’s where it’s like it’s struggling for obvious reasons Octavia has always thought like Blitz was like the homewrecker and all these things but and like at her age you understand where she’s coming from she’s still young yeah she’s still really young and then when you come to Solis it’s like Solis has always been trying to explain it to her but it’s really just hard for her to understand yeah I mean she’s had her parent she literally Solis has said said in the episode where he essentially divorces his ex-wife where he’s just like the only reason I stayed was for that girl yeah and just to have that dynamic be actually thrown into light really goes to show the facade he put up for her and literally like people don’t talk about how that type of stuff affects literally her in this case yeah because she had parents who yes their mom mean who she is and her dad mean who he is for all intents purposes she grew up with a with a full family yeah but they were just like so toxic oh horribly toxic and I was like for me at least I understood where Octavia was coming from especially with because my parents were exact same way so I always watched that growing up yeah and then but then having to watch like a new lover come into the relationship it’s just like who is right who’s wrong you don’t know what’s going on and then I think Octavia I think it took it further when Octavia found Solis’s pills I think that hit her most because she’s probably like he probably only did this for me he’s suffering because of me and all these things but it’s been in reality it’s the complete opposite Octavia probably brightened his day the most and you can see that in the show he’s always happy to be with her he’s always trying to like brighten her up even though it’s little like a little too late but you know I think that really comes into play because of the way his workings with his own father were how his father was just like which one’s this kid yeah don’t cry and don’t do this and you see that like one of my favorite episodes is where he’s trying to lull her to sleep when she was younger like that whole flashback episode where he’s telling her that everything’s gonna be okay and you just see like I love that dynamic between the fathers and their daughters like Blitz and Luna and Solis and Octavia and how it’s just these these men they love their daughters and they let them down no matter what but to see their daughters like dealing with oh yeah our dads are with somebody else too and in her case too like yeah my mom’s hurting because my dad cheated on her but how am I supposed to take this new person because this new person is also Blitz so yeah I totally understand what is not exactly the most yeah oh let’s bring let’s introduce you to my kid yeah exactly and then like especially during the court casing Solis comes in last minute to save Blitz mm-hmm super last minute and then once the casing starts getting like fixed and Solis is like so am I allowed to leave what’s going on here and then that’s when the punishment for Solis comes in and Solis says and I quote what about my daughter right and I think a lot of people to bring the thing from earlier a lot of people missed that part because even though Solis still came for Blitz because Blitz was in a dire situation at that night Octavia was at home he knew she was safe he knew where she was mm-hmm and then he sees his lover on the screen literally about to be executed and I think that’s why he came in over to rush to her or to him at least because he knows Octavia is safe but Blitz is about to be executed and for what right for a crime that Blitz didn’t commit mm-hmm and even then during the entire trial he still has Octavia on her on his mind mm-hmm I also think that it’s something that needs to get brought up because that’s that’s something that they kind of hinted at this whole show and actually it’s into my next question but every time that they bring up Blitz taking Solis’s book how is that gonna play out because it seems like it’s leading up to like oh this is gonna get blown open wide and it’s gonna be something that’s gonna really f with their relationship and and possibly get them in really really big trouble well I think that was cleared up recently okay cuz at the course trial or no I haven’t gotten there so okay I think it was actually during the kidnapping where Blitz and physically got kidnapped mm-hmm the reason why I stole us went to Oz is because he was asking for like oh yeah the thingy yeah to teleport to the human world and that’s the only reason why Blitz had the book yeah yeah he needed the thing and we see I don’t know if you watched our short clips yet I haven’t I don’t I want to say I watched one but I haven’t watched them all yet spoiler yeah you’ll see Blitz he’s wearing the the gem piece yeah he’s used it already in episodes I’m already in so I totally get that yeah but you see him like he’s learning how to use it because Moxie tells specifically it’s an item from lust you need to you know love with it mm-hmm and you see Blitz there’s like a whole episode about it about how Blitz doesn’t know how to properly love someone right and that’s when Moxie goes in and does his thing and whatever and like knows how to do it and but on later episodes you see Blitz slowly learning and adjusting to how it works and I think that’s gonna be like the biggest like thing for both of him and Stolas because now the relationship has changed but also how they interact with sex mm-hmm yeah the transaction is no longer there so it’s the okay or act we actually want to be with each other how are we gonna do and how are you gonna go about it yeah I’m only you so certain like you see it with him he doesn’t he really is like yeah it’s gonna be more connected and intimate yeah for sure I really am curious to see how the showrunners are gonna display that little I hope that I really hope they display like the clumsy and like silly moments cuz like that type of stuff in reality is like so it’s not easy to do that so I totally get it and on the topic of like um like sexual like all these types of things that are getting brought up in the show for instance like I know you’re involved with the LGBTQ plus club on campus and everything but how do you like do you like the way that they portray different like the different sex couples and stuff like that for me I do mainly cuz it’s just like it’s just this thing like it’s not like a big thing that you know when in high school you’re like oh my god you’re this and this oh my gosh here it’s more like oh hey you know that they’re gay or lesbian just because of how they interact and I feel like that should be the norm it’s just like you know what they are and it’s like that’s it that’s what happens your friends your whatever you know their boundaries you know your boundaries it’s not gonna become this like weird thing you know yeah like they don’t make it like yeah they they bake it as a joke but it’s more of like the idea and the concept that yeah this is the reality this is just one part of a person this doesn’t make their whole personality because I feel like that’s what a lot of media nowadays misses is just this idea of making like let’s take the biggest example gay a personality I love that these characters are more than just their sexuality yeah and especially since I’m like arrowace um I’m having I think recently one of my friends David like using they’ve been struggling to like respect that side of me yeah and especially because it’s hard for me to like understand that because they are part of the LGBTQ righty right it’s like yeah and it’s like you shouldn’t you be respecting me the same way I’ve been respecting you yeah he’s saying like I shouldn’t be doing all these things in the community I shouldn’t be joining all these things it’s like I’m still very much so part of yeah yeah yeah yeah and it’s like just because I want to do all these things does it mean like I’m gonna go like do something crazy like um I want to say a very big like not necessarily theory but one of the characters in has been is arrow from what we know from all right at least speculated to be arrow yeah so I can totally understand that and having friends like yourself who who are on on that type of spectrum and the differences between that especially in a hyper sexual show like this like yes you can watch it yes all of this but that doesn’t mean you’re doing that stuff yeah like just cuz you’re watching it doesn’t mean I’m gonna partake in this no yeah I totally get that yeah and especially with like the boundaries thing right right I feel like that’s such a big normal in the shows especially I think Alistair I think Alistair was the one that was being claimed as yes arrow or I think asexual to be in the most part mm-hmm but even then like I’ve as a asexual a release or whatever I’ve always being questioned like how does that work I’ll let it at a diesel have sex blah blah blah but in the shows they’re just like oh you don’t like that okay whatever yeah like yeah like it’s a normalized yeah it’s like a big thing and then even in hell of a legendary when let’s comes out I guess as gay in the show or even stole this too it’s like oh okay how are you gonna go about it you’re like that’s awesome yeah like what about your relationship that was that was like the more important part you know it wasn’t more so like oh you’re gay mm-hmm are they or the joke yeah who tops yeah but like I I think it’s really interesting to see the show play play such a heavy importance on yeah these characters are just like anybody else just because they love a little bit differently than you doesn’t mean not there any less deserving of respect even if they’re not human so I love to see just these topics of consent be so normalized and like even with even with Oz how he’s the how he’s the big guy with lust and stuff like yeah consent so important to him he’d like certain things and he’s not playing with anything yeah and I especially liked how Oz this despite being like the leader of lust he was actually the first person in there in his relationship to be like I want to announce it as true love I don’t want it to come off as lust anymore yeah I love you now like you’re not just a play thing you’re not just on the side like a secret to hide like you’re my partner and I want you to be known as that yeah and I think that was also a big thing in the show like there’s two sides of last one is obviously like the sexual intimacy but the biggest one for Oz at least it was the connection mm-hmm and I think he’s always spelled that out in the show and I feel like a lot of people don’t hear that nowadays especially when I was younger it was always like you need to go screw this person or you need to go date this person and it’s through them out the words and it’s like no like no especially like especially taking Oz as a character if it is really sat down and was just like I’m not comfortable with this Oz would be like all right cool yeah like you don’t have to you don’t have to we don’t have to deal with that dynamic and I and I love that he’s like a character that yes he is the embodiment of lust he is like that’s his big thing but he’s also like I’m not gonna do anything he doesn’t want to do just cuz I like that stuff doesn’t mean he has to like that stuff and that’s really nice to see especially in different dynamics within like LGBTQ plus characters or even like Millie and Moxie too like what whatever they’re down for is whatever they’re down for yeah especially like I think one of them was I think it’s Millie I think she was the one being claimed as straight mm-hmm she’s not like giving anyone a hard time I feel like she’s more supportive yeah then like some of the other members we see in the show like Moxie’s dad that is such a like typical like oh you’re gay oh you’re bi okay you’re gay then I was just like like the bi erasure like I love that they talked about that because I as somebody who I’m not but as someone who has like a lot of friends who are bisexual just the eraser erasure of that and as somebody who’s studied that kind of stuff and studied like the the very prevalent issue and even today like I was scrolling on Twitter and just people like claiming like certain relationships are not real or they’re not really bi they’re straight just because they married a man and it’s just like no they could be with anybody like literally Moxie is a character he’s been with guys he’s been with girls he’s gonna take whoever he wants yeah just because he so happens to be with a girl does not make him straight exactly and then she’s also like so supportive yeah like all the other she’s like you do you yeah I love that yeah she’s also like supporting Blitz and his relationship in her own way like she knows when to draw a line with him and she knows how to be like hey I think you need to like sit down and like talk it out or like we need to go beef it out somewhere you know yeah I totally get that so I love to see that representation and how it gets played out and I hope it continues to get played out too and yeah we see more sexualities being discussed because I really would like Blitz to have to pivot himself essentially for somebody who was just like yeah your jokes make me uncomfortable yeah okay so what is being a fan of the show look like for you um being a fan of the show I feel like there’s two types of dynamics there’s one I think this goes for all fandoms at least there’s like the crazy fans and then you have like the more like I guess mature fans mm-hmm you know I would say and especially the crazier fans they’re gonna go all out it yeah and then they’re gonna cause issues but that’s what I consider like crazy mm-hmm if you’re gonna go all out and be causing problems yeah I’m gonna start calling you crazy that’s my rule if you’re gonna be a more mature fan and just love the show just be there and talk about like what your favorite characters are maybe like should talk of some of the characters sometimes like oh my god I hate when Blitz did this thing to Solace type things you know I feel like that’s more of a mature response than like you know the other things I’ve seen yeah do you consider yourself more of a lore analyst an artist a shipper or something else within the fandom I just consider myself an all-around fan I guess mm-hmm you know I like to read I still like to read the fanfics or like see the possible theories right look at the fan arts and everything are there parts of like the fandom discourse that you like to avoid like specifically like if there’s any one little thing that people are like this this is this and you’re like no I’m good I’ll stay out of this I think I think it’s just like again with the crazier fans though I think it was in a different fandom I’ve been watching they there was a fan that asked the voice actor to marry them because they liked the character and I was just like I think you’re touching a little yeah back it up back it up pack it up no I agree with that like it’s there’s a very big line to draw with like well like another friend and we share which is um love in deep space and it’s just people trying to find out these anonymous yeah voice actors and it’s like no or how they’re like or how they’ll like cause issues for the voice actors and say like you should do this and this with this voice actor and it’s like you’re stepping on a line there and you shouldn’t be crossing I know it’s fun it’s cool to like hear about it or make it more realistic but I think there needs to be a line cross to like how far you can step over it mm-hmm all right I appreciate your time today is there anything that you want to shout out within the current clubs that you’re getting into like I know we talked about the LGBTQ plus if there’s not that’s okay to um join the kpop club I guess oh my gosh okay thank you once again for joining me I’m very glad to have you it was very it was very fun especially since you’re my first guest you can reach out to our Instagram I think it’s kpop with you right now and then we can send you our discord information you join through there and I think there’s also posters around campus too and now I know they have a leeway to talk if they like hello a boss I’ll be like I like hello boss do yeah I’ll be around on campus I’m usually pretty seen obviously all right thank you once again I’m very glad and with that all right guys it’s time to wrap it up across the fandom verse is selling off peace