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Idallas
All aboard the S.S. fandom. Hello, CSB fandom friends, it’s your host I. Dallas. Welcome back on board fandom friends, I want to start off by apologizing for the lack of episodes. Unfortunately, the show had a last minute cancellation last week. Well, the week before that. But don’t worry, said guest. And I have already rescheduled and are hopefully going forward for next week.

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Idallas
Moving on. This week we have another show in store for you instead of a more recent show, we’re taking you back to a cult classic 2002 beloved show, Firefly. Today I’m joined with.

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Zach
Hey guys, my name is Zach Trevino and I’m the opinions editor for The Runner, and it’s great to be here. I’m finally excited to be on a podcast. I’ve always been watching them. Now I get to be in.

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Idallas
All right, so let’s start off break things down for the audience at home. What is Firefly?

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Zach
All right. So Firefly, like you said, is a show from 2002 that aired on Fox. And basically, in simplest terms, it’s a space western that is kind of like an episode or a problem of the week kind of show where we follow this crew of people on this ship who are trying to get jobs done, to get by while they’re still like an unraveling story about, like, their past coming back to haunt them and everyone kind of intermingling with each other.

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Idallas
What brought you to watch the show in the first place?

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Zach
So it was kind of interesting. So I had never heard of the show for a long time, and then it was around 2017 when I first watched it, and I had watched it because it was my dad’s favorite show. I don’t think it is anymore, but like it used to be. And I remember he told me he’s like, this show is so good, like, like, trust me.

00;01;42;25 – 00;02;03;07
Zach
And so we watched it and I fell in love with it. And it was interesting for him because he had watched the show when it aired in 2002. But he was very confused, which is a whole thing that I can get into later, because it was kind of like set to fail, like aired. And he was like, oh, this show is cool, but like, I have no clue what it’s really about.

00;02;03;07 – 00;02;19;26
Zach
And so it was my dad’s neighbor across the street. He’s like, dude, you got to watch this show. And he gave my dad the box set for the show that we still have today. It’s like in my room. It’s like one of my prized possessions I love. And he watched and he’s like, oh, this show is phenomenal. And so he finally got me to watch it.

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Zach
And I’m like, oh, this show is phenomenal.

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Idallas
I love the dusty little.

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Zach
And so it was like kind of like a almost tradition. It got handed down. Like when I have kids, I’m gonna hand it down to them, you know, like, we got to keep the train going.

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Idallas
Let’s keep that box set in as good condition as you can. My soul one is currently falling apart. Okay, so did you have an immediate an immediate favorite from the first episode you watch?

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Zach
I mean, it’s kind of hard to say because, like, the first episode, I mean, you said that you watched first episode. It’s very what’s the word? It’s very like.

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Idallas
There’s a lot going on.

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Zach
There’s so much going on. And connect throws you in the middle. And literally the show starts with like a war, and then it goes into introducing you to nine characters and it’s still trying to get an episode plot going through. And I gravitate to a couple. I really liked the priest, the shepherd. His name is book, and I thought he was very interesting because it was like such a force of good compared to all these people who were like, they’re not like bad people, but they break the law and they go against the law for their own kind of gain, almost like kind of like Robin Hood esque figures.

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Zach
Yeah. And then I also liked Jane, who is this, like big buff guy who’s like the muscle and kind of the comic relief. I thought he was interesting. He was like a very friction.

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Idallas
Yeah. He was.

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Zach
Just like in the show. He causes so much trouble, but he’s so entertaining. I thought the way that the actor that plays from Adam Baldwin, I thought he plays him perfectly. So. And then I also liked Kaley, who is the mechanic in the ship. And she’s just like such a force of good in the show, which is so interesting because like, they’re doing like a bunch of, like, stealing and crime and like scavenging and she’s just so bubbly and so happy about it, which is such an interesting.

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Zach
That’s one thing I really like about the show. It’s like how it handles its characters and kind of subverts like tropes.

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Idallas
Right? For me. Okay. Least my favorite as well. I love her and I just love her energy, but I tend to gravitate towards characters like that. I just always it’s one of those things that because I watch stuff like anime that I’m always like, I hope she’ll be okay. And the first episode? Spoilers for those at home. First episode.

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Idallas
We think Aly dies for a second there and it was just to fuck with another character.

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Zach
Yeah, they have this whole like dramatic sequence where they’re like, she’s dead. Like, yep, like what you did. You killed.

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Idallas
Your hand falling down as like the classic.

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Zach
And then you see him run all the way to the medbay and everyone’s just laughing at him like the second he gets in the room.

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Idallas
I was just like, I. My jaw was just on the floor and I was just like, it’s me.

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Zach
But that’s like, what makes this show so good? And also to go back to your point. Also really like the Nora is one of my favorites. She’s such a interesting character for the show, and that we can get back into the point of like subverting expectations, because I think she’s one of the best examples of that. But, yeah, I know that’s something, because, like, I’ll tell you two of my favorite things that can happen in like media is like strong ensembles.

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Zach
I love that, right. And whenever a show or story is able to kind of like trust its audience to where like, they don’t have to over explain everything why everything exists, but they just allow you to see what exists and just understand how the world works. Because like I think in this show, there are so many like, world building elements that are never explained, but you just kind of see it and then you kind of begin to like, make the connections in your own head to where you understand how the world works.

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Zach
And I think that is something that’s so interesting in such fine like detail to be able to put in the show. And so when both those things come together, I think it makes a product that is truly unlike any other.

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Idallas
I can agree on your point, especially with a strong ensemble cast, because I feel like a lot of shows nowadays focus on the main character, and they don’t really tend to dive really deep into like other characters and the people around them. And I like that this show, like everybody in the crew, is literally you see it from the first episode, they are going to have their own little storylines and everything to come together and show how they function as a team, and that’s why I gravitated towards the show so much from the first episode is just the way they interacted with each other and and how well thought out it was in terms of

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Idallas
to show that relationship. Because, because especially if you don’t have a chemistry between the cast, it’s really hard for people to really essentially, fall in love with the found family like that because they’re all such different people.

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Zach
And I think that all goes back to like, the creator. I mean, this is a Joss Whedon show. This is the show that he did, like at the same time as Angel and like after Buffy.

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Idallas
Okay.

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Zach
So and so, I think Joss Whedon, while we now kind of see where his flaws lie in like filmmaking and that stuff, I think he has an ability to make phenomenal, like conversational dialog, and he has a very good ability to make a kind of camaraderie amongst people, because you see that in Buffy, and I think you really see it to its best ability in Firefly, the way that all these people play against each other, the way they’re all so different but so connected at the same time.

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Zach
I think it’s just such a well woven set of characters and a well woven universe that he’s made. He’s made a whole universe. I mean, if you ever look at it, it’s very expansive, like what’s been made.

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Idallas
I love, I love when creators can do things like that, especially go so deep, like one of my favorite things is the one of my favorite anime and manga stuff like that is One piece, and the world’s expansive as it is, so I can agree on that. Like, what’s special when a creator, like, just puts the extra special touches or puts the extra time and devotion into creating a world, it helps the fandom connect with it a lot more.

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Zach
And especially for something that’s only 14 episodes and a two hour movie, literally like it’s such. There’s so little there, but it’s so great, right?

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Idallas
Okay, so now onto the characters. So from the very beginning of the episode, we literally start out with the war scene. And for me, I was very much just like it was it was jarring for me to go from literally just the end where they’re like, there’s no help coming to just the beginning where they’re starting to scavenge things.

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Idallas
And so it’s interesting to see these characters that were there present in the war and see just the way that that changed them and how they act. Now, who do you think is the most emotionally hindered by their traumatic past?

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Zach
That’s an interesting question. I would say it’s a toss up, very different reasons. I think a big one is Mal. I think Mal has such an interesting kind of past with like being on the losing side of a war and like knowing that the opposition has won and that is the status quo. But they have set forward, but also having to live with that same conviction that you felt the whole time where like, I mean, he still feels like his side is correct.

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Zach
Right. And he like there’s like a scene later he’s like, he’s like, our feelings are right. We just lost the war. And I think that’s interesting. And then on the other side of it is a very much more like in-your-face example. I think. River, it’s such an interesting character in that regard because it’s like kind of played off of the doctor character Simon to where River was tested on and kind of like, like poked at and examined by this, like big, like government, like basically conspiracy.

00;10;11;20 – 00;10;32;06
Zach
Right. And then Simon gave everything to be able to kind of get her out of there, but he’s having to like him. And the audience and the crew are trying to kind of understand, because the way that Simon puts it, Simon is very presented as this very smart individual. But he’s like River smarter than me, and she knows more and she’s better than me at everything.

00;10;32;06 – 00;10;56;29
Zach
But she the way you see her, she’s in such a dilapidated, crazy like, almost manic state at times to where it’s weird to imagine what characteristics are told about her is in this person that we’re seeing. Right. And it’s interesting the glimpses that we get. But because the show was canceled, obviously nothing really gets kind of fully figured out.

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Zach
Which is another thing, because that’s one thing. The one good thing about this show getting canceled is that it never got to get bad, right? And it leaves like every unanswered question is just something to think about and something to kind of like theorize, which I think is kind of what kept the spark going for so long.

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Idallas
So do you feel the show did a good job with the subject matter for the time and the content it had in it?

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Zach
I think for the most part it did. There’s some episodes in particular where I’m watching it now and I’m like, oh, this is kind of an interesting way to go about this, because like one of the episodes, Mal accidentally gets married.

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Idallas
That sounds hilarious.

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Zach
And it’s because, I don’t know, I think it’s interesting, Mal’s reaction towards women because, like, the way he talks to and, and like the way that he approaches the lady marries in this episode. It’s very interesting and honest. Sometimes I think it’s kind of a product of the times, as unfortunate as that, maybe. But I think so many other things in this show are handled with such grace and with such a like finesse that I really do think like.

00;12;16;08 – 00;12;19;02
Zach
And I think the show holds up today. I still really do stand by.

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Idallas
That and that. And on that point that that is what keeps the show alive is if the subject matter can kind of kind of, despite its flaws, carry on through time like this. That’s what also can keep a fandom interacting with it, at least from what I’ve seen.

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Zach
Yeah. And I mean, like it’s impressive with the show is able to do because, I mean, this is a show about going through space and doing this and going on daring adventures, and this all aired on cable on Fox. Yeah. And so like sometimes like, you see, like shots of the ship and it flying away and you see shots of like, space stations and towns and stuff.

00;12;53;20 – 00;13;20;08
Zach
It looks a little dated. And like when you punch people, it does like the almost cartoony punch sound effect. And there is a side of it that can see it as like cheap and not realistic. But also I think there’s a side of it to where that kind of stuff is charming, you know? And if you really kind of like take the steps to mentally buy into the show, I think you can easily appreciate some of the like aspects of the time.

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Idallas
As someone who’s watched supernatural, I can definitely say that, like those types of things, especially when you look back at like the oldest episodes of supernatural, like the first season, for example, like the dated effects and things like that. But I, I find like those types of things just I don’t know, they it’s not necessarily that I judge them.

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Idallas
I’m just like, oh, this this was what it was for the time. I’m sure at the time it looked amazing. Now it just makes me kind of laugh. But I still like it. And in that little like, not necessarily cringe, but like it’s almost. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. There’s my there’s the word element for okay. So how does the found family dynamic help the characters manage or avoid dealing with their pasts?

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Zach
I think it kind of like lends a support structure for like all of them because, I mean, there are points where there’s many points in the show where there’s like conflict and there’s some friction between all the characters. But at the end of the day, through, like almost like the lesson of the episode, they kind of learn to kind of like be together.

00;14;22;28 – 00;14;52;18
Zach
And like many times throughout the show, the main character, you’re on the captain, Mal. He’s like, he’s like, you’re part of my crew. Like, we have to work together. We have to do this. We have to do that. And so there are times where, like mutinies questioned or like betrayal is questioned and it almost happens. And it kind of resolves itself because like the camaraderie and the like, relationships between the entire cast of the ship is so strong.

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Zach
And I think it’s shown to us how strong it is because of the acting. And the writing is so well done in the show that it feels very natural. And I feel like the sense of camaraderie does allow everyone to grow together. I mean, there’s episodes where they have to do very dangerous abilities, like an episode later is they have to break into a Alliance brand hospital to be able to basically, like get River in there and diagnose her to see what her brain is doing.

00;15;22;03 – 00;15;49;18
Zach
Yeah. And so there’s like questions on like whether they should sell River and Simon to the police immediately or if they should even follow for Simon in the first place, because, I mean, he’s such a for someone those two to be such liabilities and for them to be the cause of so much friction, but for also for them to be a part of the team and for them to be like, cared for as much as they are cared for by the other characters is such a like, interesting dynamic.

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Zach
It’s kind of like this push and pull throughout the entire series.

00;15;52;29 – 00;16;08;11
Idallas
I can agree on that, especially with like the first episode where you see them introduced and just the sort of not necessarily a switch, but kind of like this understanding that, okay, you’re going to be a part of the team, like we’re going to take care of you like as much as there’s a lot going on with you.

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Idallas
I mean, at this point, we kind of all got our own ish going on in ways or another. At least each of the character presents their own type of things from. One of my favorite things for like the way that they interact was second episode with Kaylee. I was telling you about this some off the podcast, but Kaylee is off doing her own thing and Mal goes to a room that she was working in, and he just sees this kind of cluster of just wires, and he goes over to her and he’s like, what is this?

00;16;36;24 – 00;16;54;28
Idallas
And she’s just like, she’s like, I don’t know what you want from me, dude. It works. You should have got me the part I needed. And I just think that’s that’s what I love the most in, like, a found family type of dynamic. Just literally just the chemistry. Just you have to be able to work with, like, actors.

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Idallas
Actors do a really good job. But if you cannot carry that chemistry pass essentially a, that acting point, you won’t get that chemistry across to the audience, which can make there, which can cause a disconnect. But in this show, I see that it’s done really well.

00;17;10;28 – 00;17;36;11
Zach
No. And yeah, and I think that’s a great point. And the actors in this show really did bond and they really did grow together. I mean, they’re still doing conventions. They’re still all friends. I mean, Nathan Fillion, who plays Mal, and Alan, who plays wash, their best friends, like even to this day. And I mean, you talk to anyone on the cast and they’ll say that, like, this show was something that was different.

00;17;36;11 – 00;18;07;17
Zach
They say that like like, I mean, sometimes you do a show that’s like a job, but like, this was truly something beautiful. And I mean, there’s a scene later where they’re almost at, like awake and they’re like, kind of like having a moment of silence. And I saw on like the commentary for the episode, they were like, at this point when we were filming this scene, we knew the show was over, like we knew the show was getting canceled and we just had to finish these, like last three episodes, these three episodes that never aired, by the way, on cable only came out in the box sets.

00;18;07;19 – 00;18;26;02
Zach
And so they were like, they were like, this was obviously like, this is the scene. Like we’re like commemorating this person. But at the same time, like we’re thinking and we’re feeling like we’re commemorating the show itself. I mean, right, the show is ending. And I think that’s something that we kind of talk about because I don’t think you know the extent of it.

00;18;26;02 – 00;18;47;20
Zach
But like, this show was set to fail. Like, I don’t know, there’s some controversy out there where, like, maybe Fox executives didn’t like Joss Whedon for whatever reason. But what had happened is that they filmed the show and you know how episodes work. Normally it’s a set order, and you expect them to happen in a certain order.

00;18;47;23 – 00;19;15;21
Zach
The executives at Fox thought that the show, the episode order as it was, was too boring, and they decided to rearrange the order that the episodes came out. And so that second episode was the first one that aired. And the first episode, you know, the episode where you meet everyone kind of like getting new people. Yeah. The 11th, the last episode that aired on cable, was the first episode that introduces you to all the characters.

00;19;15;21 – 00;19;28;24
Zach
So like, think about you’re my dad watching this show and you’re thinking, this is interesting, but I have no idea what’s going on. If you were clued in from the from the jump, this show would make no sense. Yeah. That’s crazy.

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Idallas
Oh my gosh.

00;19;29;24 – 00;19;41;12
Zach
Like, there’s even points where they recall episodes in the past and like, like one episode, they get some cargo, and then the next episode they’re trying to sell that cargo that aired in different orders.

00;19;41;14 – 00;19;42;07
Idallas
That’s insane.

00;19;42;08 – 00;20;00;10
Zach
It’s crazy to think. I mean, like and no wonder the show got canceled. But then what happened is that the show got on, like, box sets and got on DVDs, and that’s where it got the resurgence. Like, it’s one of I wouldn’t say it’s the first, but it’s one of like the first big shows to kind of have a research.

00;20;00;10 – 00;20;17;01
Zach
It’s kind of like how Breaking Bad got really big once it got on Netflix, right? And so people got the box sets and they were able to watch the show in order and watch the extra episodes that never aired on cable. And they became very popular. It’s where, like, people would hold conventions, people would like people were writing.

00;20;17;01 – 00;20;39;24
Zach
They were like, how is this show canceled? And so that, like, that fan kind of voice is what led to them making the movie. So the show ended in late 2002 or early 2003, and the movie came out in 2005. Right? So it was a very quick turnaround, like they realized that they had made a mistake. And then the movie came out and that was it, right.

00;20;39;28 – 00;20;52;15
Idallas
And on that point. How do you go about loving the show, knowing that the wait for new content is either too long or before, or the most recent updates won’t come?

00;20;52;17 – 00;21;24;23
Zach
I think you kind of got to make the most of it. I feel like I have seen the show maybe six times at this point, and you know, I’ve watched it every once in a while because it’s not that long. It’s 14 episodes, right? And I think you just kind of scrape it every last thing that you kind of get in the show and like, like I said, like every little thing that happens that’s unexplained, it’s up to you as the viewer to be able to think and be like, what could this mean?

00;21;24;23 – 00;21;44;10
Zach
What could happen here? Like, why is this the way that it is? I mean, the the fan theories about this show are so prevalent and so like deep and like people are so interested and invested in this world that kind of got ripped away from them, that it’s great to be able to just kind of think about everything.

00;21;44;12 – 00;22;06;14
Zach
Like, like one scene is like Inara is like looking at this like a syringe and they’re like, oh, she must be ill. Like there’s a there must be a plot point later where she has like a terminal disease or people are wondering, like, what’s happening to River or even like later with the Shepherd. Like it kind of like alludes on his past and they’re like, what does that mean?

00;22;06;15 – 00;22;41;08
Zach
Like what? What could this guy who is this, like, priestly guy? Like, what is he doing with these people? And so it kind of leads into questioning. And then you being able to kind of do this mental gymnastics to kind of see what it is that you think the world would be like. And you just imagining is what keeps the show alive because it’s you’re able to keep it in your head, you’re able to keep the thought of the show alive, even if the physical, like reality of the show only goes to a certain point.

00;22;41;10 – 00;23;12;03
Idallas
Right? And on that point, because you have such a lack of like, canon stuff. Do you think that strengthens the community or kind of hinders it? Like you were saying, you have the theories, but do you think it only stops at that, or do you think there’s only a certain point to where you can get? Or do you feel like the the fandom has sort of carried on because like with fans that I’m into, a lot of people keep the fandom live through fanfiction, through creating their own little canons within the universe that they originally had.

00;23;12;06 – 00;23;48;12
Zach
Yeah. I mean, I’m sure there’s plenty of that that exists. You know, I’m not too much into the world of, like, fan content, but, I mean, I’m sure that’s a big factor that keeps alive. It keeps anything alive. And but I think that the fact that the show got so mishandled by the people who could create it or that could keep it on, made it feel like it was in our hands to keep it alive ourselves and to kind of, like, nurture it and keep it going, because, I mean, there are so many like it’s like in any show that’s like with like pop culture, like moments, like they talk about, like the cancellation of

00;23;48;12 – 00;24;03;25
Zach
Firefly and how it’s like this grim day. It’s like the worst thing that’s ever happened. And so I think it’s just like the show being canceled as much as it sucks is it’s part of its identity, right? And for it to be able to.

00;24;03;27 – 00;24;05;19
Idallas
Like an underdog type of story.

00;24;05;21 – 00;24;31;01
Zach
Yeah. And so I think it kind of resonates in people. And I think like it was almost a martyr for itself, like for it to be so popular because, I mean, as when it was canceled is when the show became its most popular. And so it’s unfortunate to think, but it’s such a good product on its own that it speaks for itself at the same time.

00;24;31;03 – 00;24;56;24
Idallas
When did you first realize that this fandom could be considered more of a cult following than, like, a casual fandom? And for me, like the difference between like a casual fandom is one that’s interacting like on normal type of basis of where it’s just simple types of things like fan created content and so on and so forth. But like the way you’re describing it, to me, it sounds like the cult following type of thing, like Jennifer’s Body, how that has a cult following and the way that it was mishandled and the way that it was treated.

00;24;56;24 – 00;25;07;02
Idallas
And so the way that you describe Firefly, that you’re describing Firefly, and the way it was handled makes me think of more of a cult following rather than like really a casual type of fandom.

00;25;07;04 – 00;25;27;00
Zach
I think it became kind of the cult when it was when I first learned about all of the outside forces that made the show continue. And it’s to the point, like, I mean, I feel like when it’s in the hands of the fans and like it’s up to them to be able to get words out on the street.

00;25;27;05 – 00;25;58;23
Zach
I feel like that’s when it becomes like when the when someone has a love for something so much that they’re able to put their boots on the ground and get work done, and then it finds success. I think that shows us, I mean, for people to be able to go in and then by the box set and create such a commotion, to create conventions, to create outings, to create like public outcry for this, that it turns the heads of studios towards it and it like accepts because, I mean, the show is getting revived right now.

00;25;58;23 – 00;26;16;01
Zach
And there was a post made by Nathan Fillion, who’s the main actor, and he was like, hey, he’s like, we need support. And they’re like, we’ve got a ton of that. They’re like, we need the blessing from Fox and Disney. They were so on board for the show to continue like we needed the okay from Joss Whedon. He was okay with it.

00;26;16;01 – 00;26;49;09
Zach
And then they got showrunners who met through like a Firefly convention or met through the show itself, and they’re the new showrunners. They got a script, and so now they’re just looking for like a landing page to be able to, like, host the show, which is the one thing that we don’t have yet. But, I mean, I think the fact that it has been so, like so much of the show’s success has not been backed off of commercial success, but like fan passion is where I think you draw the line and where you think you can talk about, like the cult following aspect of it.

00;26;49;09 – 00;27;15;15
Idallas
Right? Okay, that makes sense. And okay. Yeah, I think it’s very interesting to see, like the problems that are currently happening within, like to create the new parts of the show that you’re talking about, especially when you have things like streaming services come into play and all of the things that go into that. And I do feel like a point you brought up, which was like the essential, like the show was set, this show was doomed to fail.

00;27;15;16 – 00;27;34;20
Idallas
Kind of reminds me of like the way, like Netflix works and the way like a lot of these streaming shows work where you have like maybe one season, if they don’t see it making numbers, that’s it. You get nothing. But after it has a whole it has a whole following. Like one of my best friends, I forget what the name of the show is called exactly, but it’s something.

00;27;34;20 – 00;28;00;14
Idallas
And the Phantoms. It’s a basic premise about a girl and a ghost band and like it got, I want to say one season and then it was canceled. But the fandom is insane around it, and there’s still so mad that it never got to continue. And so that that’s what kind of it kind of reminded me of is just this, oh, the the studio didn’t believe in it and they didn’t want to continue it, but the fans are like, we’re here for it.

00;28;00;16 – 00;28;05;02
Idallas
Maybe a little late in your eyes, but we’re here for it. So.

00;28;05;05 – 00;28;22;21
Zach
And that’s, that feels like it’s, it’s the plight of every show that gets canceled. I mean, yeah, like there are shows that aren’t like, but like by the majority, but there’s like there’s still people that are die hard fans of it. And so it always sucks to kind of see like something get kind of pushed to the wayside.

00;28;22;28 – 00;28;34;23
Zach
But I mean, it’s still it’s up to at the end of the day, once that happens, it’s up to you whether you decide for to move on or to keep supporting it.

00;28;34;25 – 00;28;48;03
Idallas
I can agree with that. I definitely think you have a point there. So pivoting back to like world building and behind the scenes stuff, what aspects of fireflies world building stand out the most to you?

00;28;48;06 – 00;29;26;11
Zach
There’s so many cool aspects of it, but I would have to say that the world building that I really like is the set design in basically every aspect. Like, I’ve done a lot of research on the show, like I’ve just been interested in it for so long and like the way that the creator, Joss Whedon, went to go about creating the world is that he wanted it to be a blend of basically every time period, because, I mean, you have the Alliance, which is like very futuristic, very sci fi, and you have them using like very what is it like advanced weaponry.

00;29;26;14 – 00;29;48;26
Zach
And then at the same time, most of the planets that are cast is on, is on like these, very like dry western almost looking planets where they’re using like lever action rifles and revolvers, but also with like Glocks at the same time. So like the weaponry that they use, trans like is just so varied across so many different time periods.

00;29;48;26 – 00;30;17;27
Zach
And they explained that the alliance itself, the the big overpowering force that beats Mal and his people at the beginning of the show, it said it was created from basically America in China forming into one super superpower, basically. And I think it’s so interesting that when they did, the world building of this series is that there is so much like Chinese culture being invested in all of it.

00;30;17;28 – 00;30;39;22
Zach
Like whenever the characters speak, whenever they say like like expletives or like like they just like, say, what’s the word? Whenever they say stuff, they say a lot of things, like Chinese to, like, just like, say like to voice, like concern or like they’re shocked or something. And there’s so much like Chinese architecture and design in the sets.

00;30;39;24 – 00;31;04;02
Zach
Like there’s an episode later where they go to this ball and there’s so many like, like heavy, like Red satins and so many just like things that nod to that culture, which I think is so interesting. And even the Inara like character structure where she is a companion, it’s treated less like sex work, even though that’s what it is in the show.

00;31;04;02 – 00;31;25;21
Zach
But more it’s treated like. How I always explain to people is that it’s more like geishas, where there’s so much schooling and so much like work that goes into this job that is such high elegance and such high society to where it’s so hard to get into.

00;31;25;22 – 00;31;42;06
Idallas
Yeah, and it’s interesting that you bring that up and bring her character up to because of the way that Mal kind of has an interesting relationship with her and the way he kind of looks down on her, but also respects her at the same exact time because she knows what she does. And she’s just like, you’re not going to give me any crap for it.

00;31;42;06 – 00;31;43;06
Idallas
I don’t care what you mean.

00;31;43;13 – 00;32;08;18
Zach
Yeah, no, and I think, I think the way that they handled anata is such an interesting way because again, she’s basically like a prostitute, but she is the thing that gives the ship an air of legitimacy because on like on the books, on paper, they are, they are escorts for her, like they are the people that get her around and go get her to all these cities.

00;32;08;18 – 00;32;36;05
Zach
And then the veil that they use is that while she is doing her work with her clients in these towns, they are able to do their own smuggling or other, just like underground work. And so it’s interesting that like something that is even still today kind of like frowned upon, this kind of like work blind is used as like high society and used as like a precious commodity.

00;32;36;05 – 00;32;48;24
Zach
And so I think it was such a brilliant way to handle that character. And the actress Morena that plays her brings it to such a such a high regard. I mean, she plays it with such.

00;32;48;26 – 00;32;51;14
Idallas
She’s follows with that. I love the way she presents.

00;32;51;16 – 00;33;00;05
Zach
Yeah, she’s like elegance and grace wrapped up in a person. It’s such a well done character. She’s one of the most complex in my opinion. It’s so interesting.

00;33;00;06 – 00;33;15;20
Idallas
And you could see that legit from the first few episodes I watch. You just see the way that she goes about things and the way that she deals with the situation at the same time takes no shit, which I love. That’s what I love her for, is the fact that she’s just like, you are not going to tell me what you think about me because you don’t know me.

00;33;15;20 – 00;33;32;18
Idallas
I know what I do, and I do it well and I do it amazingly. Leave me alone. And on that point. So going back to the the use of like Chinese and things like that. How does this show use language like Mandarin or like military jargon to make the world feel lived in.

00;33;32;21 – 00;33;52;29
Zach
Its I mean, it just uses it to. That’s kind of the point I explained earlier. Like it doesn’t explain it doesn’t like overhand go to you. They’re not talking about like, oh, when America and China teamed up back on Earth, that was like, they don’t talk like that. They don’t say things that are simply for the audience to hear.

00;33;53;00 – 00;34;02;21
Zach
They just say things that anyone would say. They just say they just talk like people. And it’s left to us, the viewers.

00;34;02;22 – 00;34;03;04
Idallas
To understand.

00;34;03;05 – 00;34;26;28
Zach
To be able to do that kind of detective work, to go the extra mile, to be able to kind of make all the connections and like, understand the world for ourselves. Like, I mean, there’s just so much they’ll just be doing things like technology wise, and it’ll just like, you don’t have to see it. Like, I remember there’s an episode, it’s episode four and like, Mal is stuck in this hotel room and Anari goes to visit him.

00;34;26;28 – 00;35;00;10
Zach
And how she gets into the room is that she has this, like, almost light bulb looking thing, and she plugs it into the doorknob and it lights up and the light bulb is the doorknob, and it opens and it’s like such. And they she just walks in. She just does that goes through. And then the scene starts and it’s just like there’s so much there are too many things that are just weird, but like culturally accepted in universe like that, that you see and that you just kind of have to take it on the chin and you kind of have to keep watching like, oh, okay, that’s how that works.

00;35;00;11 – 00;35;19;25
Idallas
Yeah, it kind of reminds me of like the like on that point to it reminds me of this idea that, yeah, the this is normal, the character. So you’re going to have to roll with it regardless. So deal. So I like that. I like when things are like left up to you as a viewer to understand it without it being explicitly said.

00;35;19;26 – 00;35;44;15
Idallas
So I think that’s pretty freaking cool. Now we’re shifting on to something that I was more curious about just because I love, like fashion, and specifically when showrunners put so much love and passion into the into how characters are dressed. So the show’s costumes, they, like blend this Western military and like sci fi elements, like like like the John Rose because it’s all kind of blended.

00;35;44;16 – 00;35;47;16
Idallas
What character’s wardrobe best tells the story?

00;35;47;18 – 00;36;16;15
Zach
Oh man, I think they all do. I think it’s the fact that, like, every character has their own wardrobe style. Yeah, because like, you look at Mal and Zoe, the two soldiers in the army, and they’re always wearing their, like, brown leather coats. I mean, the, the revolutionaries, they were called the brown coats. Yeah. And you see, like, they’re always wearing basically the same clothes.

00;36;16;15 – 00;36;23;10
Zach
They have the brown cubs, they have like the tan pants. And it’s like it’s very clear, like it’s very regiment. It’s like, that is what they wear.

00;36;23;11 – 00;36;23;25
Idallas
That’s.

00;36;23;26 – 00;36;45;19
Zach
Yeah. And then you get to Zoe’s husband, wash, who’s always wearing Hawaiian shirts and is always laid back. And it kind of it goes to show his own character and to show his kind of relationship with Zoe and how it’s such a opposites attract kind of dynamic where he always just has like, like all phrased up hair and just relaxed clothing.

00;36;45;20 – 00;36;46;16
Zach
You have.

00;36;46;16 – 00;36;47;17
Idallas
I love the relationship.

00;36;47;19 – 00;37;15;08
Zach
Yeah. No, they’re so good. You have Kaylee, who is basically always wearing like mechanic clothing but always has like a pop of color, like her main outfit. She has like the full sleeves of, like, the pink flowers, and there’s just so much there. And then you have Jane, who’s the rugged, kind of like scoundrel of the group, and he always just wears, like, t shirts and like, combat pants and like boots.

00;37;15;08 – 00;37;38;03
Zach
And then you have, like, the people of higher society, you have Simon, who’s always wearing like, collared shirts and like, very pressed clothing. Right. And then you have a Nara who’s always draped in these elegant and elaborate like dresses and silks, like, I mean, she wears this address one time. It looks like her like top looks like a strawberry.

00;37;38;03 – 00;38;17;02
Zach
And she’s like, like it’s like the kind of like red with, like, the dots on it. And she’s always wearing just, like, ornate, like, gowns to, like, kind of, like, signify her kind of elegance. And then you have the shepherd who also he has the kind of his own, kind of like religious clothing, but it’s almost like it’s very Western it’s way because, like, he has, like, bolo ties and he has the hair tied back and it’s such a like each character, like, speaks through their own clothing and, and then even with the character has the most variance in their outfits is River the very erratic character.

00;38;17;08 – 00;38;44;21
Zach
And it seems like she’s just borrowing clothes from all the other ladies on the ship, or she’s just wearing whatever she feels like wearing in that day. Because just like her own personality, her wardrobe changes on a dime. And so I think everyone’s dress to perfection in that show. And you can kind of like I remember it was Matt Groening, the creator of The Simpsons, where he said that the best thing that you can have in character creation is a strong, like silhouette.

00;38;44;21 – 00;39;10;05
Zach
And I feel like all of them have that. And you can kind of tell just by looking at these people, the kind of people that they are, and that if you’re able to do that and you’re able to convey to an audience the kinds of people that they are and the kinds of ways you want them to be portrayed without even having to say a word, I think you’ve done the best job.

00;39;10;07 – 00;39;32;27
Idallas
I like how you bring up Mao and Zoe and the way that they are dressed especially like more with their like, militaristic type of style, because that points to things like Sam, Dean and Cass and the way they’re presented in supernatural, the hunters attire versus like an angel attire, which the angel attire tends to be more like business heavy, kind of like Simon is in the show, so it seems.

00;39;32;27 – 00;39;59;12
Idallas
So there’s the difference between the way the hunters are presented versus the elegance, the regal, the above, everybody else, if you will, terms that would be like the characters that are angels in the show. So I think it’s interesting how wardrobe really signifies without. It’s it’s one of those things that it’s just like, again, it goes back to the idea that you do not have to explicitly say it to a fan so that they understand.

00;39;59;13 – 00;40;11;14
Idallas
They can understand just by what they’re wearing to who, how, who these types of characters are and their personality that shines through, even things like their clothing.

00;40;11;16 – 00;40;34;09
Zach
And yeah, I mean, and it all goes back to the characterization and how I think it’s unparalleled. I mean, there’s only maybe like three other shows that I can think of that have characters that bounce off each other so well like this. And those shows are also like in my line of best shows ever. So it just shows that the ensemble nature and being able to pull something like that off, which is quite a hard thing to pull off.

00;40;34;09 – 00;40;39;02
Zach
But if you’re able to do it so well, then it’s perfect in my eyes.

00;40;39;04 – 00;40;57;19
Idallas
Okay, we’re getting back to the fandom here, and I feel like we’ve talked a lot about it, which is where I’m getting more excited on terms of like, what do you think the biggest reason is because you talked about a lot of things, but what do you think is the biggest reason the firefighter fandom is still alive to this day?

00;40;57;22 – 00;41;35;02
Zach
I think the biggest reason why it’s still around is because the show really was lightning in a bottle like it. So many things went right. There were so many people behind the camera that did so much work to get it going, and everybody in front of the camera was so invested. They had such good, homogenized between themselves. They had such good fun and such good commitment to the show that they were making, that I feel like everything that was put on screen and everything that happened behind the screen was presented to us, the audience, and we resonated with that.

00;41;35;04 – 00;42;04;17
Zach
We understood everything that went into it, and we appreciated the minutia of everything and how how much care and how much craft went into this. And we loved it. And we would always want more, even though we wouldn’t get it for 20 years. And I think it’s just like that. Love is what got people off the couch to go to the store and buy the box sets.

00;42;04;18 – 00;42;36;08
Zach
What got people to talk to their friends about the show and to get them to watch the show and then like, like almost like a virus, it just spreads and spreads and spreads until you have this cult mindset about it and to where you’re able to. Then, like I said before, you’re able to finally do so much like legwork on your own as a fan to get the eyes of the big executives and to get it back on air.

00;42;36;11 – 00;42;53;15
Idallas
I think I explained this to you when you first pitch the show to me, the way I found out about Firefly was actually through TikTok and through a whole, because I just love hearing stories and things like that, or people talking about different things. And this, that specific TikTok just happened to be talking about Firefly. And I was like, oh, that’s so cool.

00;42;53;15 – 00;43;28;29
Idallas
I wonder what it is. And then you just so happen to pitch the pitch your episode to me. And I was like, hey, that sounds freaking cool. That’s why I sat down and watched it myself as somebody who, like, loves things like this with loves worlds that are crazy, chaotic and loves. When a show has been given so much love from the people behind the scenes because you go into things, especially nowadays, I find it more and more where it kind of seems like there’s a disconnect between the the people who originally wrote the show and the people who are like directing, or the people who are like pushing it out.

00;43;28;29 – 00;43;59;03
Idallas
And that really can, like taint a show for me at least, if I don’t see that love for the craft just as much as the fandom can see it, because the Phantom can only carry so much. But if you have people that loved it just as much like you said, like the cast did, like the people who created the show did and all had this passion, it does continue to keep it alive because it’s just like it’s kind of like a bounce off you get just as much as you’re giving, essentially.

00;43;59;06 – 00;44;21;23
Zach
Yeah. And I mean, I think it’s so relevant to have people that are so invested in the show because, I mean, like the new showrunners, they live and breathe this show. And I feel like in the age that we live in today, there are people that just see these like universes that being created in these like IPS, just as that, just as like recognizable names.

00;44;21;23 – 00;44;42;27
Zach
I mean, like, I remember the what is it, the God of War show that’s going to. Oh my God. There was the guy that was talking and he’s like, I have never like the showrunner. He’s like, I’ve never played the games. But I love the story. And it’s just like, what are you like, what are you doing? And like, I remember like the the the Wheel of Time show, like the guy, the showrunner for that one hadn’t even read the books.

00;44;42;28 – 00;45;01;08
Zach
Right. And it’s just like, how do you how do you do that? Yeah, because I know there’s like like if I were a showrunner and I wasn’t invested in the thing, I would learn so much about it, because I know that the people who say that this is the favorite thing ever would eat me alive if I were to do their favorite thing dirty.

00;45;01;08 – 00;45;13;24
Zach
And like, I just can’t believe that people, like, have this kind of mindset. So I’m so happy that the thing that I care about is able to be celebrated by people who want to celebrate it.

00;45;13;25 – 00;45;31;15
Idallas
I completely agree, especially with like the fact of God of War, because I grew up playing the game with my older brother. So this show, well, I’m excited for it. I’m also like very terrified because I feel like it can also be done just as dirty as devil May cry did. Granted, devil May cry did its own thing, but I’m like, you could have just created another show.

00;45;31;16 – 00;45;50;01
Idallas
You could. Don’t mess with my don’t mess with the thing I love, please, because I can appreciate it. But it’s also like if you if you see somebody who’s essentially like wishy washy about the about the subject matter and the things, they’re gonna present something and, and the fandom said to be like, well, you kind of took the heart out of the show here.

00;45;50;03 – 00;45;52;22
Idallas
Yeah, you kind of create it. You can create your own thing. But what if you had to.

00;45;52;23 – 00;45;58;17
Zach
Mess the plot on this? Like you kind of lose what made the original show so good in the first place?

00;45;58;19 – 00;46;11;06
Idallas
Okay, okay. Is there any, like, fan like, I know you talked about not really being into like fanfiction and things like that. Is there anything within like the fan made stuff that you personally like?

00;46;11;09 – 00;46;25;10
Zach
I don’t know okay. Well, I don’t know if I call it fan made, but I’ve really wanted there’s like there’s like nine books about the show that have been made after the show got made, and I’ve been really thinking about reading them. But also, I don’t know, it’s like it’s kind of like Star Wars, like the extended universe.

00;46;25;10 – 00;47;00;26
Zach
You just kind of get you can get lost in the source of it all. Yeah. And so I do you consider myself kind of a purist? I really just like I just like, you know, I like consuming what is actually there, like, you know, like, why, if I were to read these books and I was able to get all the answers about whatever and was doing and what what’s up with the shepherd and what is truly happening with River, a part of me is like, then it’s answered right, then it’s done, right?

00;47;00;27 – 00;47;05;03
Idallas
You’d rather you’d rather still have that light on. Essentially there’s like.

00;47;05;06 – 00;47;27;28
Zach
You get some finality to it. Yeah, I feel like to a certain degree with loving the show, it’s not about the destination, it’s about the chase and the hunt. And like being able to kind of theorize. I mean, I even talk with my dad like last week being like, dude, so what do you think is about this? And like, I looked on like, like the wiki and I saw like, oh, in the books that explains this.

00;47;28;01 – 00;47;45;13
Zach
I’m like, oh, I don’t want to read that. Like, I know that. I was like, I want it to be like shown to me, like in the show that’s coming up. But like, I want it to be like I’m a theorize for myself because, like, that’s half the fun, in my opinion, is being able to draw your own conclusions, especially if none were ever given to you.

00;47;45;15 – 00;48;06;09
Idallas
And speaking of that, that’s actually that was my next question, though. What’s next? Essentially, you talked about the show and not have it doesn’t really have a platform to get essentially put out on. But do you think that that’s going to like, do you think that it’s going to kind of be like a new beginning for the show in ways?

00;48;06;12 – 00;48;22;11
Zach
I think it will be a new chapter for the show. I don’t think it’ll be a new beginning, because how they stand right now is that they’re planning on the show. The animated show that’s set to come out soon is set to take place after the show, but before the movie.

00;48;22;13 – 00;48;23;03
Speaker 3
Okay, okay, okay.

00;48;23;05 – 00;48;43;06
Zach
And so I feel like they’re just going to be able to kind of tell more stories in between those two things and be able to kind of like clue us in on different aspects and like, tell the story or tell aspects of the story that weren’t able to be told in the first time. And I think that.

00;48;43;08 – 00;48;48;01
Zach
What was your was the other part of your question? Sorry I got so star struck.

00;48;48;03 – 00;49;07;26
Idallas
You’re good. So that actually will just pivot into the thing like the, the concept of like a new beginning, like let’s say walk with me for example here, let’s say Netflix picks it up. And Netflix doesn’t just want that. They have to sign on for other things that extend it. Do you think now that that like how you were saying, I don’t want those questions answered?

00;49;07;26 – 00;49;24;17
Idallas
Do you think it would essentially mess up the show, like if they were to do things that continue it off after because you said this is a middle like this is between these two, these two cannons. Do you think if they did anything after that, the fans wouldn’t receive it as well?

00;49;24;20 – 00;49;55;03
Zach
I think they would. I think it’d be okay, because I think you’re able to appreciate what was and also appreciate what is, because, like, I’ll be honest, I didn’t like the movie that much. But like, I really like the show. And so, you know, you just kind of think about the movie like, and I just think that like, no matter what, they make each aspect of the show, whether it be the show itself, whether it be this new animated series, whether it be the movie, whether it be the books.

00;49;55;03 – 00;50;12;16
Zach
I think while they all kind of fall under the same umbrella, I also think that they can all be accepted and celebrated and critiqued on their own merits. And I think that more than anything.

00;50;12;18 – 00;50;22;06
Zach
If any fandom were to get something meddling in return, the fire from fandom can easily just go back and just celebrate their old show because, I mean, they’ve been doing for the last 20 years, you know.

00;50;22;09 – 00;50;22;22
Idallas
Like.

00;50;22;24 – 00;50;23;13
Zach
Yeah, yeah.

00;50;23;17 – 00;50;25;10
Idallas
Just like, all right, this is off. Whatever.

00;50;25;17 – 00;50;27;06
Zach
I mean, we’re chill. I mean, I mean.

00;50;27;07 – 00;50;29;12
Idallas
We can only fan cons every year, so.

00;50;29;14 – 00;50;50;26
Zach
We can only go up, you know what I mean? Like, you got nothing for 20 years, like. Oh, we’re actually because, I mean, people have been joking that a reboot two years ago or three years ago, the in April Fool’s joke was that they were doing a reboot. And so I remember I had texted my dad and I was like, I’m not even joking.

00;50;50;28 – 00;51;12;15
Zach
Firefly is getting a reboot and I had to, like, I had to be completely serious with him because I was like, you have to believe me that I am not pulling your leg right now. Like I’m being completely serious with you. And yeah, I was like, I promise you that. I’m not joking. They are to your reboot. And I, I saw that at like two in the morning.

00;51;12;15 – 00;51;19;17
Zach
And so I woke up at six to text. And when I woke up for work and it was like it was such a it was such a big thing for us.

00;51;19;20 – 00;51;39;20
Idallas
That’s sweet. I. Another question that I actually have now that you’re talking about this middle ground, another this is another veer off essentially. But do you think if the show was essentially rebooted fully, do you think fans would be mad at that, like, say, if they threw out the old cast? Do you think that fans would be mad?

00;51;39;20 – 00;51;46;14
Idallas
Because I feel like fans would be, especially in terms of like the way the cast is appreciated, the way the original show is appreciated.

00;51;46;14 – 00;52;10;02
Zach
But they won’t though, because the whole cast is coming back. Baby, we’re so back. The only person that isn’t coming back is the shepherd because he passed away. Oh, okay. Like in real life. Yeah. Rest in peace. But the entire cast is. I mean, that video that prompted like, the, like, announcement it was they got every cast member to be in that video and be like, Mal was like.

00;52;10;03 – 00;52;29;28
Zach
Or Nathan Fillion was like, are you in? And everyone was like, yeah. And so we have everyone back there just getting animated. I mean, and all these other people have been doing animated work for a while. I mean, Nathan Fillion is on animation, Gina Torres, who plays Zoe, she was just in the critical role show like like animation is so back.

00;52;30;03 – 00;52;57;08
Zach
I mean, I mean, what’s it called? Even, like if Amazon picks this up, they have such a good, strong base for animation. They have they have invincible, they have both critical role shows. And then they’d have this and it would be such a welcomed addition and they would be able to do more. I feel like they’d have the creative freedom, not because just because they’d a be doing an animated medium, which is allows for a lot more crazy stuff to happen.

00;52;57;09 – 00;53;13;14
Zach
Oh yeah. And also they have the blanket of a more open market. I mean, and this would if it goes on Amazon, it’d be on the same platform that shows the boys. So like they could do anything.

00;53;13;15 – 00;53;38;12
Idallas
Yeah, literally. I can agree with that too. Especially with the idea that the this this show was originally that’s literally almost as old as I am just a year younger than me. The show and how young the cast was then versus how old they are now, I think animation does give it a a breath to continue on to without the limitations of now the cast is aged out and stuff like that.

00;53;38;13 – 00;53;45;26
Zach
Yeah. So interesting. That’s animation is the best we can do at this point because we’d get all the voices, we’d get the characters back.

00;53;45;28 – 00;53;47;29
Idallas
Have they recast the shepherd or.

00;53;48;00 – 00;53;49;14
Zach
Is it they are going to recast?

00;53;49;16 – 00;53;52;21
Idallas
Okay, okay. That’s good. At least. At least keep the character alive.

00;53;52;23 – 00;53;54;17
Zach
There was a little bit controversy with that, but I think.

00;53;54;18 – 00;53;55;05
Speaker 3
Oh, okay.

00;53;55;06 – 00;53;57;21
Zach
Well, just because it was like, do we recast them or.

00;53;57;24 – 00;53;58;26
Speaker 3
Or do we leave it.

00;53;58;27 – 00;54;00;27
Zach
Yeah, I think they’re going to recast them.

00;54;00;29 – 00;54;05;06
Idallas
I that’s always that’s always a topic for debate to when somebody.

00;54;05;10 – 00;54;07;23
Zach
But the only thing is that it’ll still be his likeness.

00;54;07;24 – 00;54;08;09
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00;54;08;10 – 00;54;29;01
Idallas
So yeah. And I feel like you kind of have to because I mean this character is like for a reason. But I also feel like that also keeps the spirit of the original actor alive, to which is a good thing. All right. So Firefly remains a strong fandom to this day, thanks to people like Zack who keep it alive, as you heard here.

00;54;29;02 – 00;54;48;24
Idallas
Dear fandom friends, this community has managed to revive interest in the series enough to get another adaptation in the works. Hopefully it continues on because I think it would be cool and I personally am watching the show. So this goes to show how a love for something, even if it’s considered dead, can bring about new and exciting things.

00;54;48;25 – 00;55;11;13
Idallas
Like Zachary said, go out if you find that your fandom was mistreated but still has that love, keep pushing for something executives will hear. Remember, people talk money talks to. So if they if you have enough interest in something, you can get something made. I mean, we’ve gotten shows like has been hotel and different shows like that brought back.

00;55;11;15 – 00;55;30;27
Idallas
We’ve gotten we’ve literally gotten the cast of natural going on The Boys just based on freakin tense. Ackles so all that to be said, if you find something you love, these types of things can prompt change to bring it back. Thank you once again, Zachary, for joining me on the show.

00;55;31;04 – 00;55;31;15
Zach
Thank you for.

00;55;31;15 – 00;55;32;10
Speaker 3
Inviting me.

00;55;32;13 – 00;55;57;10
Idallas
I now have a mission to go finish the big show next time. My fandom friends, this has been your host, I doubt. And that’s right across the fandom. Burst uploads every Thursday to make sure you’re up to date with the latest uploads, make sure to follow the runner on air on Spotify or Apple Podcasts and turn on notifications to get alerted any time a new episode is live to enjoy.