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Idallas
All aboard the S.S. fandom. Hello again, fandom friends, it’s your host Alice here. I think today’s episode is going to be a real treat, you see. Currently, there seems to be a common complaint within media produced by big companies of all types that complaint the show or movie lacks soul depth or is an original. This problem made way for a new wave of shows and movies produced by indie makers to rise in popularity.

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Idallas
As it stands, we are seeing a common trend of people flocking to watch things produced by said indie makers. Some of the biggest names at the top of my head include Iron Lung has been Hotel Hell of a Boss and Murderer, drones. Funnily enough, today’s fandom is a sister show to murdered drones. That show is the amazing digital circus.

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Idallas
And joining me today is.

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Ryan
Hi, it’s me, Ryan Pettit.

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Idallas
All right, so some some warning before we dive right into this, friends, we will be giving. I’m throwing up a spoiler warning here, so if you haven’t finished the show or caught up, good luck. We got spoilers. Okay, so, Ryan, break the showdown for the viewers at home.

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Ryan
Sure, I’ll break down in the show. So The Amazing Digital Circus is a free to watch or widely available indie show. It takes a style of 3D animation and it’s produced by Glitch Productions is, I say, Netflix and YouTube or.

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Idallas
I don’t know. Well, I don’t know if the Netflix just because I don’t have Netflix, but it is widely available on YouTube for free right now, right?

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Ryan
Anyway, the story. So it follows this character named Pomone. She’s protagonist mainly, and she one day stumbles into a digital world dubbed the The Amazing Digital Circus. And essentially she goes kind of mad for a little bit. She tries to find a a hopeful exit of some kind to find have basically false hope that there is not one she eventually settles into, but the rest of the cast.

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Ryan
And it’s kindly like that. Like right now series is ongoing, but that might all change.

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Idallas
Well, this show to to give some more background upon me and the rest of the human characters, because there is a distinction between the human and AI ringleader, which is Kane. These humans are all trapped in the circus. They have essentially no way out, and Kane can and will track them if he needs to. So what brought you into this fandom in the first place?

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Ryan
Well, you know, being a fan of glitch for a little bit, I, I initially got introduced to their projects through more drones and, you know, like when the pilot came out, I think three years ago now, I didn’t really pay attention my like pay no mind to it. I just saw like this thumbnail keep popping up and I was just like, I’m not here for I’m, I’m just gonna enought it.

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Ryan
And then, you know, a couple weeks ago by I see the amass like the amount of views this thing is getting and it’s like ridiculous numbers just for the pilot, I’m thinking, fine, I’ll give it a shot. And when I watched it, I honestly, I was very intrigued by it. I liked the like, I really like the the static they did.

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Ryan
It’s it reminded me of like those those books I spy, right? Yeah. Kind of like that’s a whole the whole set design pretty much really remind me of that. But yeah, the character designs were really appealing. I really liked most of the cast. I knew about Michael Kovac for like a while with him, as in And murder and plenty of other characters in the projects he’s dominated.

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Ryan
But yeah, but it got me introduced to a lot of other things too, like other characters, sorry, voice actors like Lizzy Freeman and Alex. What’s what’s this last name.

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Idallas
I have? I have no idea. Here.

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Ryan
He’s the one who plays Kane. Yeah, yeah. So it was. Yeah, it was interesting. I really just found it very intriguing. And, you know, it took like a couple of months for them to actually produce their first episode, really. Or second, I guess. And then, yeah, it just the quality kept getting better. I got more invested in the story.

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Ryan
I was liking the dynamics, the flaws of the characters designs really were popping up more.

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Speaker 3
Alex Recon that’s the name of the guy.

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Ryan
Oh, Alex were cone.

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Speaker 3
Canadian.

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Ryan
But yeah, no it was. Yeah. I just really was turned on by the show was good.

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Idallas
Ten out of ten. It’s funny that you mentioned Michael Kovac, because that’s actually I was like, I swear I’ve heard this dude’s voice before, but I actually mistake I mistook him from for Todd, who’s also really who’s really popular within the anime world. So I was like, his is full branching out into different things. So the very much was one of those things where I was like, oh, for me, though, it’s actually funny because I’ve kind of kind of in the same way of I’ve been hearing about it for a long time.

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Idallas
Funnily enough, the topic for the first episode, this was actually broached for the for the first episode, we ended up going with hell of a boss, but we were like, okay, because just hell of a boss is a little bit more out right now. But animation takes time, and a lot of people need to realize that, especially with an indie company working on these things, that it takes a lot of time.

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Idallas
They do not have the backing that most big companies do. So was you answered it more or less. But was this your first like, okay, you you did talk about murder drones. And that was my first introduction to glitch. But was this your first one that you like latched on to?

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Ryan
No. This was not my first one. The first one, I guess indie wise I latched on to was has been hotel. Yeah. The pilot I remember, I remember like like early 2019 I think was when they were having like all those teaser clips coming out of like the pilot and then 2020 actually came out and it was just like I was like, I was astonished by it.

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Ryan
I really liked the style and like where the story was going. And then when it got like, like was like a couple years later when it got announced to be picked up by Prime, that was amazing for like, oh yeah, for the show and the Indian general, that was like crazy. So, yeah, no, this was not my first.

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Ryan
But I do think this one I would say for sure, like with in terms of Glyph Productions projects or IPS, this is definitely their popular like the most popular by.

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Idallas
Far, right? Yeah. And I’ve seen that too. For me, funnily enough, when you brought it up has been that was my introduction to like the world of like indie projects like this as well, because a lot of my friends, if you didn’t know this, I am a huge theater kid, so a lot of us kind of latched on to things like this.

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Idallas
So I was introduced to Husband Hotel and it’s been it was a long, a long wait for Houseman to come out. So I think I just kind of because of that, I started getting into like different things on YouTube and I’m constantly on YouTube just because I like to listen to things while I’m doing other stuff or watching things.

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Idallas
So Murder Drones was for me, be really like my dive into glitch specifically. So there’s this interesting concept going around or like this term being thrown around, but do you think this is the golden age of indie projects?

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Ryan
Do I think it’s the golden Age? I, I would argue, yes, that is. And the reason really why is that indie like indie projects like this really haven’t got much notoriety, especially at like a very wide, massive scale. Like let’s let’s talk about the pilot. It came out three years ago. This thing currently today, I checked it, it had 450 million views.

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Ryan
That’s insane. I mean, other projects which did like that most like 20 minutes, which was still great. I mean, that’s still a very top tier milestone, but I mean, like just the, the it’s almost become like a cultural phenomenon to a point now because you have you have like this, this series that’s now making its way into movie theaters, like currently is making its way into theaters.

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Ryan
There’s now like I think they had a presale information about it, like take it’s hard up to 5 million now and just pre-sales, which is ridiculous. But it’s also amazing.

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Idallas
Yeah, I completely agree. What do you think defines defines this?

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Ryan
Oh yeah. The golden age.

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Idallas
Yeah. What do you think defines God.

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Ryan
Yeah. So like you know when you see like how how like people really do care about this and how it’s been able to really reach like these new feats, you know, that normally projects like this would not normally, like reach. It’s just really astonishing to see. And then you also think about like our projects like has been hotel as two seasons now on Prime Video, which is crazy how it started just from a webcomic.

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Ryan
Before you have other projects in the works that glitch is doing on like Gaslight District, lackadaisical nights of going to be I think is under one. And you just like you’re just starting to see all this stuff. Iron lung I never want to, but I did a review on for The Runner.

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Idallas
I was I was there for a long time with Iron Lung as well, so I was like, I was ready.

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Ryan
You’re seeing like, this creative led indie indie films. Like another one was like backrooms as well. Just all.

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Idallas
I’m so excited for that one to come out.

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Ryan
They’re all now like, like making these leaps to actually be featured on the big screen, to really to really show, like they’re serious. Like, this isn’t this isn’t like, like child’s play. This is like mainstream almost the point of being mainstream, which is just insane to think about.

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Idallas
So on that point, actually, what do you think draws in droves of people to check out projects like the show? For me, I personally think that it’s the people and the passion behind it. Like when you. For me, I love to see when somebody is passionate about something. Like for what? What threw me to watch Iron Lung in the first place was just to see the amount of work that Mark puts into his other projects.

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Idallas
So that’s what drove me to see that. What do you think?

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Ryan
I think it has to. It has to be a beginning to it. Because I was Markiplier fan before he had he been announced Iron Lung? I mean, I was psyched to hear that he had movie coming out, which was cool. I mean, you hear about Jacksepticeye, for instance. He’s doing he’s doing the blood. He’s being a producer on the blood for the film, which is going to be.

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Ryan
I’m sure it’s going to be great. Oh, yeah. But yeah. No, I mean, I think they have there has to be a point where they have to establish, like, who they are. Yeah. Like, you know, garner a cult following in a way that’s like widely like, like huge numbers, you know, like millions. Right. And then they start to get noticed for those works.

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Ryan
But then they make other stuff. Right. And, you know, think like on a whim, maybe it won’t be as big, but maybe as may it be like as successful or less, you know, but then.

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Idallas
Yeah, you follow the projects like Markiplier has done a lot of things before and leading up to Iron Lung. So I feel like that kind of was like his essential, portfolio, if you will, to bring people into it. And I think it’s interesting, especially with indie developers, now that we’re we’re really starting to look at them because again, like I said in the beginning, there’s this idea that corporations do not know what the heck we want to watch anymore.

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Idallas
And they’re producing to say, oh, to say it nicely. Boring stuff to say. Just literally put it nicely.

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Ryan
It’s like there it’s like basically what was. But before you see as niche isn’t becoming niche, it’s just basically like they’re they’re diving into territories and exploring things that are unoriginal. And they’re, they’re they’re non-conventional, essentially.

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Idallas
They’re beating the horse, the dead horse already. Like, you see it with like the tape. I see it like the occasion essentially of like Marvel and stuff like that. So they’re killing it really quickly. But then you get again, people who are passionate about stuff like Markiplier, who had seen an indie game, was like, heck yeah, let’s do this.

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Idallas
Let me turn this into a movie. This would be fun. So that’s I think that’s pretty cool. Who do you think are the top dogs within like these indie projects right now?

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Ryan
The top dogs.

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Idallas
Yeah. So, like, who do you think really? Has everybody spoken? Like I know we talked about hell of A and has been. So those would be like top dogs I would consider. But like the amazing Digital circus is actually because I’ve heard it just as much as the two other projects I feel like they made. The Digital Circus has also came into being the top dog, if you will.

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Ryan
So you mean like you mean the shows, right?

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Idallas
Not the. Yes, the shows. So like, who do you think really defines this? This age essentially. Who do you. Who do you think we would look back on like this? Like how we’re considering this golden age of indie when people look back on this as the golden age, who do you think people would define this age as by?

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Ryan
Interesting. Tough. Tough question. I would say I would say it would definitely be the ones that have, have or currently amassing, you know, why like white sandy audiences that, you know, has never been like, has never like society has never been like reach before. So, you know, you can say to see is a good one, I would argue has been hell tail is probably up there.

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Ryan
It’s got it has two seasons. It’s even like it’s been launched for greenlit for like 2 or 3. Some of that.

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Idallas
Yeah. It’s it’s already because of its following and everything. They’ve managed to secure quite a.

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Ryan
Bit just like that. I can’t confidently say like the other ones they saw in the works, like, like I mentioned before, Gaslight District Nights, going off your other stuff, like even though I and am to see them, I can’t say that they’ll perform as better because we don’t know.

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Idallas
Yeah, like 90% of beer is still in. It’s like essentially inception. So we’re still like seeing it come up so very much, very much like shows Like Hell and has been would be some that I define with the top dogs. So do you think this new wave of content is slowing down, or do you think it’s gaining momentum?

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Ryan
I think it’s game momentum. I think what we’re seeing is definitely a like a shift, really pretty much with these what these creator led. Any projects, you know, if you ask me for like let’s say when the backrooms became huge, I would never thought it would get movie. Never because I didn’t think it would be that popular to a point where they take it seriously enough to actually, you know, give it that kind of like official standing.

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Ryan
But it’s happening. What’s happening?

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Idallas
I’m like, right now, it’s funny that you bring up like the back rooms and the popularity of it. I’m kind of waiting for things like the Walton Files or like things in that type of realm to get some type of movie to get something like that off the ground, because I think that’s the next one that I would see because it just has like a popular it’s like a popular type of deal right now.

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Idallas
So on that note, how do you feel about, like, being like like we talked about Iron Lung and Jack’s epic.

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Ryan
Sorry.

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Idallas
Things like Iron Lung and Jacksepticeye is Bloodborne. How do you feel about how do you feel that there is the scene? Do you think it’s bringing essentially making the top dogs in Hollywood shaking their boots?

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Ryan
I think it’s it’s really cool to see, you know, like all these, like these individual creators or, you know, if you play, you can click glitch and like the Vivian’s, you know, team and all that, like, you know, these indie careers I guess, or teams really just make their visions like a reality pretty much. And you know, you know, you think of you think like on the surface level, like of YouTubers like Mark or Jack or others.

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Ryan
There’s like another one thing called like, that’s a bad idea, which is like a sketch comedy group that also has another indie project coming this month or next month, apparently. But like you, just you see them like on surface level of like they just do this type of content like let’s plays reaction stuff, reviewing and things like that, and that’s fine.

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Ryan
But then you see them evolve to like how long they stay on this platform for another, dipping their toes into other stuff that’s like just really cool to see. And you want to and you want to see more and you want to be invested in. So I just think, what was your question?

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Idallas
How do you feel like it’s affecting the indie scene?

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Ryan
I feel I would I would say that do I think it’s, it’s it’s making like what prime time Hollywood shaking it. I wouldn’t say yet because it’s only I would say it’s only the start of it right now. I don’t think it will become stagnant, if that’s what you’re also implying, because I think it still needs it, because how I say is, this is basically what is hot right now.

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Ryan
Like, this is what this is what’s trending. Just career lead in your project. You get to see stuff that you possibly grew up with, you know, and you had to kind of like a cult following. You were you were on about for a little bit and, and like, and now you see it become like just these things that are like really just like, how do I say this?

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Ryan
They’re just, they’re taking seriously now and it’s just really cool to see. But I would say how it makes, how it makes them feel, how it makes them feel. I would say it would make them probably need to reevaluate how they should mark in movies. Probably. I would say, yeah, a different approach in like their toes and stuff like maybe like because, you know, a lot of this stuff is basically attracting the younger, the younger viewers and that’s fine.

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Ryan
But I say they all have the same goal because they want to have a wide net reach. So I would just say like they would likely be just starting to think maybe we had to reevaluate how we used to do these things and adapt to what dates companies like A24, Glitch Productions are doing, because it’s working.

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Idallas
The way I like to put it is the people crave creative. We don’t want to see the same things. We don’t want to see the same adaptations over and over again. We do not want to see beloved series get tainted to heck and back with the seventh adaptation reworking of it. We want something different. We want something new.

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Idallas
And I feel like that that is the a big reason why people are really attracted to things like the amazing Digital Circus, because it’s different. It like touches on topics that are relevant. Let’s start with that, and it gives things in a different light, because what attracted me the most to the show is just how brightly colored it is versus its dark topics.

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Idallas
And I personally, because I’m like, if my music playlist is literally called I’m Trash, essentially, and it’s I’m telling you this, this freaking playlist is like thousands of songs long and it’s all over the place. It goes everything from rock to country to, to freaking happy hardcore and things like that. And it’s just this idea of like, it’s just like there’s so many different things in it for me.

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Idallas
Like going back to my playlist, it’s just I love when songs sound happy, but are so depressing because it makes you really have to pay attention to the things. So, like with the amazing Digital Circus is packaged in this really like bright type of packaging and it makes you really go, dang, this shows a lot darker than it is like that.

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Idallas
It seems on the surface.

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Ryan
Yeah, like the I mean like it really makes you pay attention to underline things and then I get it. Yeah, that’s actually a really interesting way to put it.

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Idallas
I also love this idea because there’s, there’s a distinction, I feel, between the differences between like hell of a and has been, which are very much way more on the adult side versus what glitches presenting, which I feel like glitch very much is catering to that wider audience where they’re like, yeah, kids can technically watch this because like, if you look at even the pilot where they’re stopping them from cussing and things like that, I think it’s very interesting to see how they’re going about this type of stuff and to see that, like, like you said, kids are going to watch this regardless.

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Idallas
Like I said this before, in the other podcasts that we did on, however, I don’t think it should be watching it.

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Ryan
I shouldn’t. Second shouldn’t. I’ll say it, I, I like I did watch I’m not even a music like a musical fan. I still watch both seasons and I still can appreciate what like what they’re do what their image styles of songs especially. But like no, the kids should not be who watch this stuff.

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Idallas
Oh yeah. No, I literally was telling you my last podcast guest with all of that, my little sister was actually actually broached me on has been. And I was like, little girl, you do not if I catch you watching this. Oh yeah. But it’s one of those things of like, I feel like as much as this, this show does touch on adult things, but I feel like it is very much in the style of like, kids media, of where it’s if you’re paying attention to it enough and if you’re old enough to understand it, yes, you’re going to catch on to these things, but it’s also done in a way of like, if you’re a

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Idallas
kid, you’re not kind of kind of rolls off the shoulder.

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Ryan
Yeah.

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Idallas
So that’s why I think it appeals way more to like to younger audience as well, at least for me. So pivoting into fandom because this is my special, special, special, you know what I mean? Anyway, so for me, I’m still way I’m so like detached essentially from this specific fandom, but like, I’m attached to things like has been and hell of a so the show leans heavily into like a digital identity, escapism and psychological issues.

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Idallas
What do you think? Why do you think these themes resonate so strongly with the fandom?

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Ryan
Why do I think they resonate so strongly? Well, I mean.

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Idallas
You can take it from your perspective to if.

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Ryan
I can say like, I mean, like I, I, you know, I’m a major part of this fandom or like, I spent a lot of time in it, I would say have more lurk, if that makes sense. Yeah. You know.

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Idallas
It’s funny that you bring that up because I’ve actually noticed a trend with my podcast guests. The girls are most of the girls are way more essentially interactive with the fandom themselves, like with fanfiction works of things like that. But I feel like guys are very much like they kind of have, like we’re looking at it, we’re observing from the outside.

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Idallas
We’re still a part of it, don’t get us wrong. But I’ve seen like a lot more detachment from it. So it’s interesting that you say that too, because I’ve kind of been noticing a trend.

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Ryan
So I’m sorry. Can you repeat the question?

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Idallas
Sorry. I went on on tangent there. Okay. What do you think the themes, the big themes that I talked about like digital identity, escapism, psychological issues. Why do you think those resonate so strongly with people in this particular fandom?

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Ryan
Why do I think they resonate so strongly? I think it has to do kind of with representation because the show is it has got words, inclusivity. Yeah. You know, you can see in some designs or in the themes like with there’s there’s a non-binary aspect in there and it’s really creatively done with like the mismatched parts. I thought that was really cool.

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Ryan
You have gang who can’t control emotions. That’s why she has four separate masks when not to do so. And like, I like I think it’s a way of like they’re they’re kind of like they they can they see it like, you know, they’re being seen in a way. And I don’t know, I think that’s I think that’s kind of it.

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Ryan
I would say there probably is more that goes into it. Oh for sure. But from my, from my perspective, that’s that’s how I see it.

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Idallas
Yeah. Personally, like I mentioned this off podcast, but my favorite character is actually ragazza because I can relate a lot to this idea of wanting to be kind. But at the same time, it’s also the struggle of not losing yourself within that to where it seems disingenuous. I have friends specifically that deal with this idea of again, being kind but not losing themselves or essentially being rolled over like steam rolled over.

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Idallas
And I think this, like Rajitha, is an excellent representation because you see why she is the way she is. And you, you see the the effects and the cracks that kind of come into the surface with her character throughout the show. So I think that I can argue, at least with that idea of, like you said, representation matters.

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Idallas
It’s pulls people into it. And it really goes to show that essentially you can like lose yourself in a character if you if you resonate with them and you feel so strongly aligned with them that that helps a lot. So Phantom can be a wonderful joy to be in it, really. Andy, you’ve seen lots of really great things with How to Take our love, for example, the amazing things you see that that fandom has brought into and how it pushed Iron Lung to be widespread.

00;24;02;22 – 00;24;22;27
Idallas
But just like that, there’s always another side to it. There’s a dark side, and a lot of people do not talk about that, especially with a popular series like a popular series like this one. There’s gonna be bad guys. Bad guys, essentially. What do you what have you seen or experience that can be considered bad or problematic within the show’s fandom?

00;24;22;28 – 00;24;42;24
Ryan
I’m glad you asked this, because I actually, I actually like the other day I was doing some research on that topic as well, because there was actually a really good video on YouTube via YouTube, recalled Alemao. I think basically, and he actually had a video like, you know, the things that are like that are I don’t know what the video was called, but basically he had some really good points.

00;24;42;25 – 00;25;14;16
Ryan
He had really good examples. He brought up about like, especially how the fandom has like a pair of socialis and entitlement kind of. And they do kind of like in these toxic behaviors. And, and a lot of it really does feature the cats, the people who voice the most, like the main cast show. And I do agree with a lot of it because I can definitely see like how they would they would think, well, I mean, again, let’s go back to it because like, like we said, where you said this show is going to have a lot more of a younger demographic.

00;25;14;17 – 00;25;33;04
Ryan
I mean, that’s fine. You know, when they had like when episode six, Rob and they had the whole thing with a show to find, like real life footage, like, that’s no snippets. I was, I was basically expecting like, people to go like to do a whole wild goose chase on this because their kids, they can be impressionable, I understand it, but then they got to other things.

00;25;33;04 – 00;25;39;01
Ryan
Like there was like apparently harassments apparently that like when it comes to fan questioning at conventions.

00;25;39;04 – 00;25;40;21
Idallas
I think I’ve seen some stuff on that.

00;25;40;23 – 00;26;12;17
Ryan
Well, a lot of you had to do like shipping questions and like stuff like that. There was other ones when they did charity livestreams and they stayed in their roles and then like were apparently some people like Super Chat asking like, Where’s Michael Kovac? Or where’s this person? So and so and stuff like that. So I do think there is definitely like a pair of socialist to it because like, actually, here’s the thing, there’s just a really cool part about the fandom that I personally haven’t seen, like others, the, you know, fandom would usually have like a lot of original songs they produce, right?

00;26;12;18 – 00;26;34;24
Ryan
Fans do that. And I would say from the ones I’ve listened to, they they know what they’re doing there. They have amazing visuals, they have really good lyrics or catchy stuff like that. But and like another part about it is that the main cast also gets featured into these original songs made by fans, which is really freaking cool.

00;26;34;26 – 00;27;03;14
Ryan
It’s it’s honestly just a really cool thing. But the thing about that, too, is that I think that’s just adds more fuel to how this fandom can be parasocial, because how they interact with the fans and they do these projects for them, but also to represent the brand as a whole. It just basically kind of things like, you know, they’re putting a lot of energy into, like into this fandom, but they don’t want but like, you know, it’s it’s not theirs.

00;27;03;14 – 00;27;21;02
Ryan
It’s still it’s still glitches. Basically, it’s the people who make who made it up to this thing is now. And like another thing it comes down to is the showrunner goose work she has has had a lot of a backlash with some of her choices and how and even her questioning, like her answers when it comes to questions she’s answered.

00;27;21;02 – 00;27;41;26
Ryan
And I do think a really important lesson is that, especially with all indie showrunners, is that they don’t owe the fandom anything they’re making. They’re they’re making their stories come to life, and they’re basically trying to make you like the best it can be for them. It’s not it’s not the fandoms. It’s it’s theirs.

00;27;41;28 – 00;27;59;12
Idallas
Like, you just so happen to be a fan of the show, but you technically have no stake in this, and you actually bring up a really good point. And I feel like it’s funny because I was actually watching a theory video yesterday, which is the film theorist, and they he was talking about this idea that that specific idea of this entitlement that people have.

00;27;59;14 – 00;28;32;07
Idallas
And I feel like that comes a really into play with works like these because they’re coming out so like episodically and they’re being made developed like literally as they are. So essentially you have this idea of like, let’s take supernatural. You get a whole season out, right? It’s done. No one can like essentially have a stake. But when you have projects like these that are actively being made, people feel this entitlement, like, I’m here already, I have my I have a saying this and it’s just like, no, you don’t.

00;28;32;09 – 00;28;51;14
Idallas
You’re not the one who’s making the show. Yes, you may you. That’s literally why fanfiction exist. If you don’t like something, right? Something else, you can do it. You can do it in a way that makes it for you without being a jerk to the creators and to the original vision. And I feel like that type of thing can actually taint projects.

00;28;51;15 – 00;29;24;21
Idallas
Like I forget which fandom, like which game fandom it was, but when the the games essentially were like, oh, let’s listen to fan input and that kind of essentially ruin that specific game. Again, I forget what it is because I was not am not interested in that specific game, but it essentially, yes, the fans do have a lot of power and a lot of saying things, but it’s just like, let the original people that are made this and made are the reason why you love the show in the first place, literally.

00;29;24;23 – 00;29;28;23
Idallas
Oh my gosh. Okay, so how do you personally interact with this fandom?

00;29;28;23 – 00;29;29;17
Ryan
How do I erect.

00;29;29;17 – 00;29;38;10
Idallas
With it? Yeah, because like like you just like you said a little bit earlier. Like you’re kind of a little bit detached from it in my opinion. So how do you interact.

00;29;38;10 – 00;29;57;10
Ryan
With it? Honestly, that has to do with more academics, personal matters like in life. That’s mainly me. I would say. Like I said, I more of a lurker. I mean, I’ve seen I’ve seen the projects, I’ve listened to them. And, you know, I could say that there’s definitely quality in those things made by fans, which is really cool to see how I interact with them.

00;29;57;12 – 00;30;18;18
Ryan
I mean, I don’t know, I mean, I guess I did buy merch recently, period. Okay. Yeah. And that was and actually that’s another thing too. It takes a lot for me especially to really get invested, like to invest in like an indie show or just any, any showing particular because, I mean, I don’t know, you really have you have to really try to like, really win me over.

00;30;18;19 – 00;30;24;02
Ryan
And then when they’ve released that was the that was the ticket for me that that’s really what put me over to like put me.

00;30;24;02 – 00;30;25;10
Idallas
Over such a well done episode.

00;30;25;10 – 00;30;35;08
Ryan
It was really well done. And you didn’t ask you about just say, sure. My honestly, one of my favorite characters is Jack. It’s basic, I know, but I.

00;30;35;08 – 00;30;57;23
Idallas
Mean, there’s literally only a few characters like it. I hate that idea of people. I hate the idea of people literally stomping on somebody’s favorite character because it’s so subjective. Like you said, your Jack is your favorite character. My favorite character. I think there’s so much beauty and joy that goes into seeing how people relate to these characters and makes them their favorite character.

00;30;57;24 – 00;31;17;21
Idallas
Like, I have a really strong, have a strong stake in this, if you will, because I tend to love a hero character. Like if they’re if they’re good with a little bit of flaws that usually defines who I like. I have a type, if you will, but like it’s just this idea of people like, like literally stomping on, oh, that’s so basic.

00;31;17;22 – 00;31;40;23
Idallas
And they’re literally a character in the show. Why is it basic to you? I’m sorry, I don’t like cast number three in the background. I’m sorry. I don’t like the grayscale character. That’s right. Don’t. And my that’s my my argument is what I want everybody at home to listen to is doesn’t matter who your character is. If you love that character, heck yeah.

00;31;40;23 – 00;31;51;14
Idallas
It doesn’t matter if they’re a villain, they’re villain. Awesome. If you love them, love them and love them loud because it shouldn’t matter what anybody else thinks. If they mean something to you, that’s awesome.

00;31;51;15 – 00;32;10;22
Ryan
Yeah, well, the thing is, like, really, you know, the opposite of how you like, you know, he said, you’re very character. And you, you resonate with her, right? You know, you can see other aspects that you can relate to. The thing is, what, like the Jack’s or even my other matter favorites, Kane, I don’t really relate to them.

00;32;10;22 – 00;32;27;20
Ryan
I just like them more because of mainly they’re like mainly start with their designs. And then it came to behaviors and like there’s patterns to it. And then and then there’s the dynamics as well. That was like really kind of what made me more appreciative of them. That was really good.

00;32;27;21 – 00;32;35;22
Idallas
Yeah. And I can appreciate Jack’s as a character too. He’s one of those characters that I, that I love, but I also am like, let me just strangle you at the same time because he gets.

00;32;35;28 – 00;32;36;02
Ryan
I.

00;32;36;02 – 00;32;36;29
Idallas
Was like.

00;32;37;00 – 00;32;40;26
Ryan
I’m sorry, I was going somewhere with this. I forgot what was your what was your.

00;32;40;29 – 00;32;44;17
Idallas
Oh, I was like, how do you interact with the fan? You were just talking about merch.

00;32;44;18 – 00;32;58;21
Ryan
Yeah. Right. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Facts of the most part. Yeah, so I did I did buy merch. It takes me. Takes a lot, a lot for me personally to really invest. And I will admit there was an incentive there had a sale going on like they usually do have sales going on.

00;32;58;22 – 00;33;01;06
Idallas
Trust me, that’s how that’s where I usually get my words.

00;33;01;07 – 00;33;24;25
Ryan
But yeah, I bought like the if I like the the like the, the statue figurine of like poverty and whatnot. Because I really like episode eight really was like a very well done episode. I honestly there was almost like no qualms, in my opinion, with it. You could say. Yukari pacing, that’s fine. But like, yeah, and I just like, I like I mean, I want to support this now because I really like I really, genuinely like the show.

00;33;24;27 – 00;33;25;10
Ryan
Right?

00;33;25;17 – 00;33;44;23
Idallas
I agree with the South Park because that’s how like, it’s funny because I like to many things is what I is, what what I like to say and how I like to call it. But that’s really what defines if I can Birch Tibbetts on sale. Like for me, like especially like when Hot Topic gets involved in a lot of things, I’m like, I don’t think it’s worth it to pay full price for these things.

00;33;44;24 – 00;34;05;28
Idallas
Like obviously support the support of the people behind the show. I love that, but I’m like, bro, I’m working. I’m a I’m a college student. I’m broke, bro, I don’t know what to you. So pivoting onwards. So the series finale in theaters. So there’s actually three three formats of where it’s going. It’s going to Netflix, it’s going to be on YouTube.

00;34;05;28 – 00;34;18;21
Idallas
Netflix and YouTube are actually getting it the latest essentially the theaters. It’s essentially like, for me, that’s what it that’s what entices people to go to theaters the most is because it’s releasing in theaters first.

00;34;18;23 – 00;34;20;23
Ryan
Yeah. Well, it’s it’s a marketing move. Yeah.

00;34;20;24 – 00;34;21;02
Idallas
Oh yeah.

00;34;21;02 – 00;34;37;28
Ryan
Yeah. Here’s the thing. Like I there was rumors where like. Like what? Like a couple like even like after episode release, there was like a, like a few days after there was a whole thing that there was like a movie listing going on, but it wasn’t like, official. But they kept saying it was I would I was honestly more surprised that they actually were doing theaters.

00;34;37;28 – 00;35;04;29
Ryan
I didn’t think they were for for for this. But yeah, like the whole thing, the whole thing like the drama when they said like, oh, it’s two weeks earlier than when episode nine were released on YouTube and Netflix, I assume. Like, I like, I get it, I wasn’t like, I wasn’t upset, like, I understand, like, I get it, you know, there has been a center for these theaters that you’re going to to push this and put this in your, in their calendar for people to watch.

00;35;05;02 – 00;35;10;06
Ryan
Yeah. And like, like, I mean, yeah, that’s kind of it again. Sorry.

00;35;10;07 – 00;35;20;10
Idallas
Oh no. Actually you’re pretty much covering it because I technically didn’t ask I didn’t ask the question, but you’re literally talking about it, which would be the what do you think of it being in the in theaters.

00;35;20;11 – 00;35;55;16
Ryan
Oh yeah, I can, I could, I could touch on that more. Yeah. No, it’s it’s really it’s really cool honestly. It’s really it’s a, it’s it’s a very it’s very much a big leap for them. I when it comes to it, it’s a finale which honestly is more the hard part because with stories, especially with one like like a, a brand like this where people, you know, can get really attached to the characters and then they have their everyone like a lot, a large majority of them are going to have like their, their, their own way of how they envision the ending and whatnot.

00;35;55;16 – 00;36;00;13
Ryan
And it’s definitely going to leave like sour taste, as I assume. And a lot of people like a lot of people’s mouths.

00;36;00;14 – 00;36;01;22
Idallas
Everybody’s got opinions.

00;36;01;24 – 00;36;23;28
Ryan
Yeah. So I would say that it’s going to be definitely a tough task. I think regardless, it’s still going to be an effective performance. You’re still going to see top tier quality animation, probably the best. The show is like it’s about it’s like we haven’t seen yet because, you know, it’s a movie premiere. At this point, you’re still going to get amazing voice acting performances out of all the cast.

00;36;23;28 – 00;36;33;20
Ryan
Assume there’s there was like, God, I just said his name. I said his name was Allen Ruckman or something like that. Alex Ruckman, whoever. Kane’s voice actor.

00;36;33;26 – 00;36;34;05
Idallas
Yeah.

00;36;34;06 – 00;36;55;28
Ryan
He he basically like saying that. Like episode nine is when Michael Kovac really like, shows his, like, shows his work and and then like other stuff like that. And then there’s other stuff where they said like, because this I should have probably touched on this, this show was inspired by the book. I had No Mouse, I’m a Scream, which has a very depressing and bleak ending.

00;36;56;01 – 00;37;03;04
Ryan
It’s so. Dark and they but they have gone on record to say that this, like the way this one will end, is a lot more hopeful.

00;37;03;06 – 00;37;25;22
Idallas
That’s good. I, I do think there’s an argument to be made that because there’s, there’s obviously everybody again, everybody has an opinion on things I personally hate when they give dark ass endings. Oh my gosh. Mainly because I’m like like it’s the idea of escapism. Essentially, for me, if I’m watching something and I get invested in these things, they give me a dark ending.

00;37;25;22 – 00;37;45;10
Idallas
I’m very much just like, okay, like I remember I was watching, I forget, I this is how much I disliked that show is my boyfriend and I, we were watching this freaking anime and it’s and it like it has to do with like dragons and humans and it’s it literally will raise you up just to throw you back down.

00;37;45;10 – 00;38;06;25
Idallas
And I hate that in the show because it’s just like, so where are we going with this? This is just this is just the idea of like, good luck, the world’s crud. We’re done here. And I’m like, what was the what was the whole point of me getting attached like this? There’s no reason. But I think there is an argument to be made that like those the the idea of a darker ending versus a lighter ending.

00;38;06;25 – 00;38;17;26
Idallas
I always think it’s really interesting to see and to have that discourse in a fandom. So I’m curious to see how this one where the where this finale will take it for.

00;38;17;27 – 00;38;24;10
Ryan
Yeah, yeah. I guess you’re probably going forward a discussion like what I thought about the trailer. I seem right.

00;38;24;12 – 00;38;35;26
Idallas
I don’t believe, I don’t believe I checked it out yet, I haven’t, I haven’t I like looked at it and I was just like, I have a very big qualm with trailers nowadays that kind of give away the whole freaking movie in my opinion. So that’s why I haven’t watched it myself.

00;38;35;28 – 00;38;56;03
Ryan
It’s like, I mean, here’s the thing. It’s it’s definitely, you know, you’re keeping a mysterious, like a mysterious, like mysteriousness into it basically. And, you know, but there was a lean theory that basically from what we saw, they think a lot of people think that maybe Jack somehow becomes like antagonist. And I mean, it could be right. It could be wrong, it could be another.

00;38;56;04 – 00;39;00;28
Ryan
There could be other theories as well, I’m sure I don’t know about, but there are sure about it.

00;39;00;29 – 00;39;01;23
Idallas
There’s tons.

00;39;01;25 – 00;39;18;13
Ryan
And I the thing is, like, I don’t really care if that’s the case or not, because honestly, how I all I really care about is how it’s going to end. I don’t care if, if, if even if mine. Like if I were the one making these series, if I was very wrong because I just really want to know how to execute it.

00;39;18;15 – 00;39;33;24
Idallas
So moving into this idea that back to this idea that indie projects going to theaters, how do you think this is going to change expectations in the future? Do you think fans will start hoping for more theatrical releases like this and it’ll become a norm?

00;39;33;24 – 00;40;00;27
Ryan
I would say yes, I would, I would say, yeah, I would say yes because, you know, assume assuming that other projects, the other projects that Glitch Productions has, has in the back burner and I assume will be will finally get their their full seasons ready to go like next year, I assume. I would argue that there definitely will be a anticipation factor where people are going to like, so are they going to go to the movies again?

00;40;01;00 – 00;40;25;22
Ryan
And maybe that would be maybe that’ll be the case some of the time. But you know, this stuff definitely takes some preparation and some convincing. A lot of persuasion, I’m sure. Like even this one was no easy feat for sure. I think even one of the co-CEOs like, put out like a, like a letter announcement saying like, we like they initially wanted a month in like a month prior to when they announced the episode, anybody’s episode.

00;40;25;22 – 00;40;47;09
Ryan
But like, well, yeah, I would definitely I would definitely argue that there’s going to be definitely some type of anticipation going forward, even, like, not even with this glitch. I would say even like with other other stuff that don’t have in like officially gone movie announcements. But you can you can definitely think my because backrooms got one and you know Bloodborne is gonna get one and iron lung out one.

00;40;47;11 – 00;41;07;01
Idallas
God of War is getting a show. I have my own qualms on that, but I won’t touch on that. So you’ve seen Iron Lung just like I have, I did. What does communal theater the viewing, add to a show or movie that’s been so deeply tied to online culture, which in this case YouTube like literally YouTube Iron Lung, that it’s all individual.

00;41;07;07 – 00;41;22;15
Idallas
It starts out individual, but now it’s gone into like essentially a communal space. And and so how do you feel like that changes things for, for you in your phone’s perspective?

00;41;22;17 – 00;41;23;15
Ryan
And my perspective.

00;41;23;16 – 00;41;32;02
Idallas
Yeah. So how does it change your views on things like going from being an individual experience to now being in a communal space?

00;41;32;04 – 00;41;36;11
Ryan
Yes. Okay. How is it? How does it change things for me?

00;41;36;13 – 00;42;04;21
Idallas
Yeah. Like for me when I, when I was there in the theater, fire and lung seeing as many people that are also attached to Mark like that when it was originally just like yeah I knew he I know he has a large fan base, but it’s just like I went from really not really having it essentially anybody to talk about it with unless they were a mark player fan to that I just so happened to know, to knowing that there are a lot of people around, whether I know them or not, that also love the same thing I do.

00;42;04;24 – 00;42;21;14
Idallas
It creates like for me, it creates a sense of community and I and I and I that’s what really draws me to fandoms to is when I can talk and when I can, because I get really excited about things really easily. So if I can talk to somebody about the same thing that I love, it just makes me appreciate it just that much more.

00;42;21;14 – 00;42;48;25
Ryan
So actually. Yeah, that’s a good question. So I would say how it affects me or how I view it. It’s definitely like it touched on. It’s it’s a it’s mainly community driven, you know, because people who are fans of hands of this show or production are going or are supporting them by going out and watching it. Right. Helping them push this effort to make to make their goals even, like even larger and even brighter and stuff like that.

00;42;48;25 – 00;43;14;05
Ryan
But, I don’t know. There’s definitely a like attention to me to it, especially with this one, because when I watched Iron Lung, I mean, yeah, I, I was definitely in the realm of like people who were fans of market player or just people who wanted to take a chance on something new. I even interviewed some people for that story that the review I did, I didn’t I didn’t feature it in there because.

00;43;14;07 – 00;43;15;17
Idallas
It would be done by everybody.

00;43;15;19 – 00;43;17;04
Ryan
No, no.

00;43;17;07 – 00;43;18;08
Speaker 4
It’s like, dang, okay.

00;43;18;09 – 00;43;19;02
Ryan
I’m sorry.

00;43;19;04 – 00;43;29;29
Idallas
No, no. It’s okay. I was just like, I was really excited because I seen some people, like, dress up like Wolford or, or literally right next to me, the whole row of dark fans. And I was like, you know, I was like, okay.

00;43;30;00 – 00;43;48;23
Ryan
But the thing is, I only the only reason why I didn’t feature those interviews, those those interviews and like, do you pull quotes and whatnot? But basically just because that article felt too bloated, I didn’t want to. I didn’t want to make I want to use too much. Right. And because it was more about the the movie, not like, not like that, but.

00;43;49;00 – 00;43;49;24
Idallas
That’s what I did.

00;43;49;26 – 00;44;05;27
Ryan
But yeah, the people I talked to, you know, people some of them were definitely longtime fans of Mark player like I am or and you are. Some of them just, you know, they know much about iron lung. But they kept hearing about like oh it has like this. It’s like this huge like indie backing. And then like there’s a lot of support going for it.

00;44;05;27 – 00;44;22;02
Ryan
So maybe, you know, give it a chance. Right. It might like if people really believe in it, you know, maybe it might be good. But when it comes to tack, it’s definitely, like I said, the the toxic, the toxic side of buffet.

00;44;22;05 – 00;44;25;28
Idallas
We have like an air freshener going off in the background and it throws me off every time. Continue.

00;44;26;01 – 00;44;46;22
Ryan
Yeah. Sorry. It’s okay. Yeah. Like like we touched on, there’s definitely that toxic side that I’m apprehensive about because I don’t know if I’ll officially go to it. I am thinking about it. But you know, I, I don’t know, it’s just like even when they like, announced like movie listings, like where they had it currently, like, currently.

00;44;46;22 – 00;44;50;11
Idallas
I still I want to say it’s out. What? Fresno. I think it’s a closest one. Or was it Porterville.

00;44;50;14 – 00;44;51;22
Ryan
Or what you mean?

00;44;51;24 – 00;45;04;14
Idallas
I haven’t looked at it directly myself, but I’m like I was. I forget who I was talking to, but I, I want to say the closest one was Puerto, but I could be completely wrong. I haven’t looked at any of, like where you could see it. So take that for what you will.

00;45;04;16 – 00;45;18;25
Ryan
Just heard. There’s two locations in Vegas. Yeah, which surprised me by sending with our lung. I did not think like anyone in like any any was where you’re like any cinema retailer would actually push it in Bakersfield.

00;45;18;28 – 00;45;30;14
Idallas
To be on the same because I was like, when I was looking at the Phantom, I was just like, I really hope somebody does it for Bakersfield cause I, I was not going to do it. I was like, I hate getting on phone calls like that. So I’m like, no, thank you. I was like, hopefully everyone does it.

00;45;30;15 – 00;45;51;19
Ryan
Yeah, but but when they when they announced the upside trailer on their channel and then they, then they, they had the announcement like, hey, we’re going to, we’re doing this to the big screen. It’s going to happen. We’re combining episode eight and nine together in a nice like an hour long. I looked at it. I saw the only listing I saw currently that day was two Movie Grill and like like, you know, they had different shows.

00;45;51;19 – 00;46;15;26
Ryan
They had one like 1030 in the morning, 130 like like afternoon and like a later one after, like that’s like that. And then like a couple days after I checked again just because of curious. And then they had rain cinemas on there as well. And that was bizarre. So yeah. Well it’s kind of cool to see like how locally there are people who like who are fans of it as well.

00;46;15;27 – 00;46;20;03
Ryan
That’s that’s cool. I still have that apprehension because of.

00;46;20;10 – 00;46;20;25
Idallas
The toxic.

00;46;21;00 – 00;46;21;13
Ryan
The toxic.

00;46;21;19 – 00;46;22;28
Idallas
Is definitely can dissuade you from.

00;46;22;29 – 00;46;25;20
Ryan
Yeah. Yeah, it definitely can dissuade me for for sure.

00;46;25;25 – 00;46;31;21
Idallas
We’ve seen it with different with different movies and stuff like that. Like the way the Minecraft movie handheld that was taken.

00;46;31;23 – 00;46;34;20
Ryan
That’s a that’s another thing I kept thinking like, it’s like, because, you.

00;46;34;20 – 00;47;03;26
Idallas
Know, I really hope that the this fandom gets it together. Like I’ve seen it totally pivoting off into different fandom here. But like when, when the, when the theater started releasing concerts on for theaters? Yeah, for me, specifically with like K-pop, as much as I love K-pop and K-pop fans, that can be a big disruption. If they’re getting really into it, they start yelling and stuff like that because not a lot of people, obviously you’re in your in theater, like, guys, keep it quiet.

00;47;03;27 – 00;47;15;23
Ryan
I’ll tell you from experience when they did that, like did that in like in the Taylor Swift errors tour, especially that one, I still was working at Regal Cinemas as an usher and I like it. They were loud and they were bombastic.

00;47;15;29 – 00;47;36;04
Idallas
See that and that. And that’s my point, is that it’s just like, as much as I love these types of things, not not all of it should be. And it’s always that worry of like, I really hope that people will shut up and people will watch the movie and talk about it later outside of the theater, because you ruin everybody else’s experience for it, even the fandom.

00;47;36;04 – 00;47;53;27
Idallas
And it can really kill fandom for people. Yeah. Okay, so I’m pivoting this. What do you think is next for glitch? As it stands, glitch currently has multiple shows in the works with no signs of stopping. Do you think the success of this show will continue to have eyes on future releases from glitch, which I. I think so.

00;47;53;27 – 00;48;25;17
Ryan
But I would, I would definitely believe so. I honestly, I’m not even going to say argue. I believe it will because like I touched on before, this is by far their the like their most popular, their most popular show like 450 million for pilot is ridiculous numbers. And just like how the support for it is keeps increasing and like I’m not sure what the figures are for like consecutive episodes they’ve released, but I’m sure there’s still I would say, I would argue definitely in the hundreds of millions, hundreds of millions.

00;48;25;17 – 00;48;51;08
Ryan
And, you know, it’s just. Yeah. So I would definitely say like, this is their this is their peak. I was I would say for what they have in their works. Like I touched on them already. I’m not I’m not going to repeat them again. Yeah. They’ll either they’ll either basically either reach a level of success. Not I would say either close to or miraculously above it.

00;48;51;09 – 00;49;03;28
Ryan
Right. But I do I do think the main goal was that they got a lot of wider net of audience members now who definitely want to watch, like want to look forward to what they have next.

00;49;04;00 – 00;49;11;29
Idallas
What expect stations do you think audience audience is now expect from the studio now that like this show specifically has become so beloved.

00;49;12;00 – 00;49;40;21
Ryan
High quality, good writing? Oh yeah. Yeah, high quality in their animation styles. Good. Good writing. Listen, I would probably maybe in terms of merch, I would definitely say, I would say an abundance and creativity like they had with this with like with this show, like this show currently maybe outreach too, because they also just announced they had like a pop up shop in NYC.

00;49;40;22 – 00;49;57;12
Ryan
They did a whole like, like RSVP, like inviting, like paid for to go not to. But yeah, because like another thing I like about this show in particular, like they have a craze like global out like wide.

00;49;57;14 – 00;49;58;26
Idallas
It’s really loved in Japan.

00;49;59;01 – 00;50;03;08
Ryan
It’s very loved in Japan. The cafes they have.

00;50;03;10 – 00;50;06;09
Idallas
I really hope that becomes a thing here. I love, I love K-pop.

00;50;06;15 – 00;50;11;09
Ryan
I think there was even talk like there’s even nursing. Like they apparently there’s going to be a manga officially.

00;50;11;10 – 00;50;11;28
Idallas
Oh, sick.

00;50;11;28 – 00;50;36;07
Ryan
I love that. Yeah as well. So like, I don’t know. I mean, yeah, but they have a global they definitely have a global impact for sure. So I would argue they probably I would say they’re definitely would be maybe some a word here entitlement that it could like. It will reach numbers as big as is or it’ll, it’ll be outspread as big as a as this one was.

00;50;36;09 – 00;50;44;10
Idallas
Do you think glitches success will inspire other indie makers to pursue projects like this on a scale like theirs, or even like theatrical releases for that?

00;50;44;11 – 00;50;45;17
Ryan
Absolutely.

00;50;45;20 – 00;50;52;02
Idallas
Okay, so to brown this out, what do you personally hope lies in store for the future of indie making?

00;50;52;05 – 00;51;02;09
Ryan
Oh yeah, that’s a really good question. What do I personally hope lies in store? I touch on a little bit, but yeah, like A24 is definitely like.

00;51;02;11 – 00;51;03;16
Idallas
They’re doing so much.

00;51;03;18 – 00;51;10;09
Ryan
I would say definitely the the ones that I would say, I would argue glitch is kind of falling in their footsteps in a way.

00;51;10;10 – 00;51;46;24
Idallas
Yeah. Because A24 has like really, really defined this, this age of like indie. I feel like and and in terms of animation, obviously Vivi and her team also did really well with with introducing the world. And people do worlds online that are accessible for free instead of behind paywalls like Netflix, like all of these streaming services. So I personally I really hope that it continues to have that trend because you see more and more, especially in this day and age, of where we’re getting priced out of being able to afford to watch cool stuff.

00;51;46;24 – 00;51;56;29
Idallas
And I feel like this, this idea of finding stuff like on accessible sites like YouTube is just it, it’s taking things in a really good direction.

00;51;57;00 – 00;52;30;23
Ryan
Yeah. I mean, yeah, but like, intensely. It’s just really cool how like glitch has been able to make it like, you know, drive these indie projects of theirs in their own way with the constant, the constant merge fails. They’ve been they’ve been out putting their creativity behind those that, like, was really cool, even like the way that like I said before, how they’ve they’re even like now really getting more involved with fan projects and like you have the actual cast, like singing like these original like lyrics and songs, like it’s just really cool.

00;52;30;24 – 00;52;53;24
Ryan
But yeah, like, like just that, that, that direct to consumer marketing strategy, it’s just like it’s their own. With A24, I would say now they’re probably are starting to be a little bit more unconventional. They’ve they’ve been doing it like for a couple of years now. Don’t get me wrong. I mean, you had hereditary. You had everything everywhere all at once.

00;52;53;26 – 00;53;14;13
Ryan
I mean, and I mean, those are probably like their most talked about films, I imagine. Yeah. But but yeah, like I would say, you know, for even them to sign on. What’s the name? Kane Parsons, who’s the main guy who even made the whole backrooms to begin with was definitely risky. But also I think also will benefit them because.

00;53;14;19 – 00;53;15;03
Idallas
It’ll pay off.

00;53;15;09 – 00;53;24;09
Ryan
He’s even like on record. He’s actually the highest, sorry, the highest, the youngest, the youngest director they’ve ever hired. So which is I know that’s that’s amazing.

00;53;24;09 – 00;53;44;19
Idallas
It really does go to show that. It’s just it does inspire people like Bach talked about it when he was talking about Aaron Long, and just the idea of inspiring new people to get into these things that were previously unattainable because of the outreach that Hollywood has. And like the and this idea of voice acting being really taken seriously, I feel like it’s starting to really be taken seriously.

00;53;44;19 – 00;54;09;12
Ryan
And like another thing too, is just like, you know, it’s it’s also even like branching out more opportunities for people who are like, aspiring, like any, like any makers or even like writers or cinematographers or VFX artists or whatever, right? In that, in that creative space. And like, it’s giving them, it’s kind of like branching out an opportunity where like, you don’t have to have like you don’t have to like, you know, be a be a.

00;54;09;15 – 00;54;09;29
Idallas
Big name.

00;54;10;06 – 00;54;39;00
Ryan
Like a production assistant or go through this many years of occasional training or whatever. Right? You like, like if your stuff is effective, it like it reaches like a wide, like a wide number of audience eventually. Well, possibly we’ll say possibly like you can’t like it can be. It can be noticed by like glitch or 824 and you can possibly start working on like projects like glitch and A24.

00;54;39;03 – 00;54;59;18
Idallas
So you never know until you try. Exactly. Like for me, this is this is how I took the podcast because I was like, I want to talk about things, so here I am. All right. As you hear her to here, fandom friends, the world of indie making is all the rage. Stories of all sorts, with amazing teams behind them, are reaching out into the cosmos, ready for anyone to enjoy.

00;54;59;18 – 00;55;15;28
Idallas
I hope today’s episode inspires you to check out smaller produce shows or movies for that try. Or for that matter, give it a try. After all, you might be like myself for Ryan and enjoy something that you would have otherwise never heard of. Thank you for joining me today, Ryan.

00;55;15;28 – 00;55;17;19
Ryan
I’m happy to be here. Thank you for having me.

00;55;17;20 – 00;55;37;08
Idallas
I’m glad you were glad you Pokemon for the show. Till next time I Phanom friends. This is by night owls across the fan numbers. Uploads every Thursday to make sure you’re up to date with the latest uploads, make sure to follow the runner on air on Spotify or Apple Podcasts and turn on notifications to get alerted any time a new episode is live to enjoy.