Fall 2024, Episode 8
October 15, 2024
Host: Jay Cortes
Co-Host: Marina Gonzalez
Guests: Jacquelin Garcia Garcia, Brittany Oceguera
Transcript:
Welcome Runners to your 8th episode of The Runner On Air.
It is October 15th, 2024 and we have a special Latin Heritage edition episode for you this month.
This is the last day, October 15th of Latin Heritage Month and I have a couple special guests here with me.
Can you please introduce yourselves?
Brittany Oceguera.
Jacquelin Garcia Garcia.
Cool.
And what do you guys do here on campus?
I’m the editor in chief of El Veloz, so the Spanish section of The Runner.
Okay.
And recently you guys had published, I think, an article about Latinx and you had done a survey about it.
Do you think you could talk to me about what the article was trying to accomplish?
So the point of the article was basically to educate people about the term Latinx and see how they feel, because I know a lot of people don’t really like the term or it’s new to them.
So just informing people and sharing people’s opinions on it.
Yeah, I feel like it’s a new term.
I only recently heard the term Latinx probably two, three years ago, maybe four at most.
So it’s definitely a new term.
Where do you think this term started from?
Does the article explore into that or what were you guys trying to accomplish?
It gives a little background into it.
I think the term, it came from LGBTQ plus groups that didn’t really feel identified with the terms Latino, Latina.
I don’t know which term came first, Latinx or Latine, but like…
You were actually the first person to tell me about the Latine thing.
So maybe the Latine thing came second.
Yeah, because I think Latine was a term to give an alternative because a lot of people didn’t like Latinx or it was hard for them to pronounce if they’re Spanish speaking.
Right, because the X sounds different in Spanish than it does in English.
Yeah, like Latinx.
Yeah.
Okay.
So just a little bit of history behind it.
What would be the difference between Chicano Latinx or Hispanic Latinx?
So Hispanic is basically, it was a term invented for the census to categorize people of Spanish speaking countries.
So Hispanic, the term Hispanic is just for people in Spanish speaking countries, so it excludes Brazilians.
Okay, they speak Portuguese, right?
Yeah, because they speak Portuguese and it excludes indigenous, like the indigenous population because not all of them speak Spanish.
Yeah, some Native American tribes, don’t they have their own language?
Yeah.
Okay.
So that makes sense.
Okay, so that, well, I don’t even think I knew that.
You were talking to me last time about Chicano, the term Chicano and how that’s different too.
Can you explain that one to me?
So Chicanos are basically, I think they’re the ones in California, Texas, and where else?
Arizona?
Arizona, maybe?
I don’t know, but it’s basically Mexican Americans, but the term is used, I feel like it’s more commonly used in California, but it’s basically, I think the kids of the Mexicans.
Second generation?
Yeah, like the second generation, I think.
It depends.
Sometimes, like I don’t identify as Chicano, but some of my family does and they’re first generation that’s like in this country.
So it doesn’t always apply to everyone, I think.
So it would definitely be more of like a Spanish speaking term though, like Mexican or like Salvadorian, South American, maybe?
Or you’re saying it’s like only applies to the United States if you were born here, right?
I think it only applies to people who are like from here, because I have never heard anyone like from Honduras or Salvador use it.
Right.
I just want to make that clarification, because I feel like, well, when you…
So during the article, there was a survey, right?
Was the survey done to help the article or was the survey like the main purpose?
How did you guys approach the survey versus like writing the article?
The survey was basically to see how people felt about the term Latinx.
We didn’t want to say like, oh, people hate it without having like, you know, just interviewing three people.
So the survey, it was an anonymous survey to see like how the campus community felt about it.
It was open to staff, students, faculty, and we got 110 responses.
Nice.
So do you feel like that was enough to kind of formulate and gather enough data for an opinion?
Yeah, I think it was.
Okay.
So what was the survey kind of covering, like what kind of questions?
Basically it was like how people identify themselves, like do they prefer the terms like Latinx, Latina, Hispanos, Latine?
How they felt about the term Latinx?
Do they know the difference between Latinos and Hispanos?
What else?
Like yeah, like just their opinion on the terms and like what they know about them.
And do you feel like the students understood the survey or do you feel like maybe there was some confusion when taking the survey or like what some of the questions meant?
We were told that some of the language on some of the questions were a little like confusing because we like for some of them we had just like yes or no answers and like they should have like had another option to like elaborate, I think.
Oh, like other, yeah.
Yeah, because like I think the guy said that like there’s always exceptions to things and that he didn’t feel comfortable putting like yes or no.
Okay.
That was for the question like oh, should Latinx be the standard term used?
He said we should have had like another option.
Yeah, I feel like depending on the generation like the standard, there’s a different standard.
I feel like prior it was like Latino and then like Hispanic maybe was the standard before but I could be wrong.
I feel like over time like it changes.
Yeah, I think before it was Hispanic and now it’s like changing more into Latinos because they’re trying to like get away from the colonization term.
Yeah, like instead of having Christopher Columbus Day, we have Indigenous Day now.
Yeah.
Is that today?
Is that today?
No, I think Indigenous Day was yesterday.
We’ll miss that one.
Yeah, so the term.
So then you were saying that like Latin, Hispanic is more Spanish-speaking cultures and Brazilian Latinos are like the people from like Latin American countries.
So that includes Brazilians and like the Indigenous communities that are like from the Latin American countries, but that doesn’t include Spaniards, for example, like they would be just Hispanic not Latinos.
And what about like Cubans, Colombians, Portuguese, I mean, I don’t know if Portuguese counts.
Portugal.
Not Portugal.
Portugal speaks Portuguese.
I know, but Portuguese from like Brazil, like that’s what I meant.
Brazilians.
Okay.
Those are all countries in Latin America.
Yeah.
So they all count as Latinos.
Okay, cool.
So then you’re saying the term Hispanic doesn’t include Brazilians.
Brazilians because they’re not Spanish speaking.
Okay.
Oh, Hispanic means like Spanish speaking.
Right.
Okay.
So yeah, I feel like that’s education for like a lot of people because I wasn’t taught this like in school.
I didn’t really get taught like this sort of history until I took like Chicano history in college.
So taking the survey, do you feel like there was a like maybe a lack of understanding on what some of the terms meant because did some of the questions ask like if they understood the terms?
Yeah.
We had a question that asked if they knew the difference between like the terms Hispano, Hispana, Latinx, Latinos, Latinas, Latine, and it showed that 50% of like the people who filled out the survey, so 55 of them, didn’t know the difference between the terms like they thought or like it didn’t say what they thought, but they didn’t know the difference.
Was there any questions like testing the knowledge?
Like…
No.
Because if like, let’s say I like I thought I knew before, but really now I’m like my mind’s blown.
Like I didn’t, it’s all making sense now.
So like before I feel like the terms just kind of melted together.
I just felt like I was all three at some point, like I don’t know the terms just melt together, but now I’m kind of making more sense of like, okay, if you’re born like in Spanish versus like Latin, Portugal is different, but the culture is still kind of similar, but there’s like differences between like Brazilian food, obviously, and like, like Mexican food.
So I don’t know.
It’s just like, it’s cool to be able to now finally like get a good understanding of it.
Okay.
So then did you have any trouble like make coming up with the questions or like what do you think was the most difficult part about creating a survey?
Because I think creating a survey in itself is like a challenge because you want to make sure that the questions like are understood, that they could be easily answered, but that also like you’re getting both sides that could be answered too.
And then you need enough data.
So there’s definitely a lot that like goes into making a survey.
So what do you think was the most difficult part?
The hardest part was like the language of it.
We didn’t want to be like offensive or like, like, yeah, like towards like anybody.
Yeah, you want to be inclusive.
Yeah.
We got like advice from a couple of faculty members.
Okay.
It was like, oh, like don’t put like the genders, like for the asking and for the gender identities, like have them fill it out themselves.
For whenever we said Latinos, like we couldn’t say just Latinos.
We had to put the slash A slash X slash E, that type of stuff.
Okay.
So making sure everything’s like really detailed and inclusive to everybody.
What surprised you?
Like, if you saw anything that surprised you that you weren’t expecting, and then if you were to like rewrite the questions and re-reward them because some stuff maybe got confused after you got the results, you realize like, oh, I don’t think people understood this question.
Like what changes would you maybe make?
I think one change we would probably do is definitely explain what Hispanic and Latino the difference is, because some of them were confused and didn’t know which one was.
And we also forgot to include other terms like Cubano, Dominicano, Puerto Ricano, because it’s not just those.
There’s way more to it.
Right.
But I feel like that’s kind of the point of trying to do that census like a certain way is they’re trying to include everybody like in one category.
And it’s hard because like not many people want to be included like all in one group when everyone has like their own separate, like specific things their culture does.
So that’s probably a difficult part.
So you’re saying when you’re like, how would, because I feel like that’s revealing in itself.
Like if people are taking the survey and they don’t understand the term, I feel like that’s kind of an answer to like, you’re getting an answer with that, that like, there needs to be more education on the topic.
Yeah.
Um, a lot of the answers for the Latinx, like it asked them, like, do you know what it means?
And a lot of them were like, I don’t know.
Or I’ve just seen it around campus.
Yeah.
There’s like a new term that I’ve been seeing pop up where it’s like information being forced on you.
Like, I feel like some stuff without even wanting to learn about it or know about it, like it’s forced on you and you don’t know where it comes from or like who starts it.
But it’s like, I don’t know where it’s like, oh, this is what we have to do now.
And it seems like one of those things, like kind of a segue, but like totally off topic.
Like I got this from a comment, cause people were talking about the Haktua girl.
And they’re saying like everything that we know about her is like forced upon us.
Like no one asked about this girl, but like now I know her name, like where she worked.
I don’t even know how it was just forced upon me.
So there’s like certain things, like it’s weird, like terms and stuff that are just like, for some reason they pop up and like through social media or through like whatever avenues like the news or something, like all of a sudden it becomes a term and now it’s like everyone’s using it and it’s like forced upon us.
So I don’t know if that’s mass media just in general.
Well, a lot of them did say like, oh, I feel like this is being forced upon us and like, because we didn’t hear about it before and now we’re hearing about it till later in life.
Right.
But then one of like, one of the professors that we interviewed brought up a good point where he was like, yeah, like maybe this is being imposed upon us, but aren’t all the terms kind of imposed upon us?
Like Hispanic, like there was a time where that term wasn’t used at all.
And then like now it’s like really commonly used, Latinos the same way.
Like, so basically he was saying like, maybe it is being imposed, but like all of these other terms were imposed too.
And now they’re accepted.
Yeah.
Okay.
That’s true.
We’re always making progress and we’re always trying to move forward and be more inclusive.
So that makes sense.
Like you can’t back out from progress.
So I guess maybe people get like afraid or something like nervous when a new term or something they don’t understand is like introduced to them.
So it takes a while to like understand.
But the term like Hispanic and Chicano has been around for a while and I feel like people still like, maybe because it’s not often taught that it’s just like, unless you heard about it from like a grandparent or something or like someone in your family that knows about like Chicano history, especially like Native American, like indigenous people too.
Cause I feel like on purpose at the beginning that was kind of like crushed, like their culture was kind of like on purpose decimated a little bit.
So I feel like it’s very hard to start to like trace back like what happened in your culture.
Cause it’s like a lot of that stuff was like destroyed, you know?
So definitely lack of education on that.
Like how would you approach it differently maybe?
This like if you, let’s say, cause I’m sure this is not going to be your first article or you’re kind of come up and gather opinions.
So how would you maybe?
What I would do, I would, I kind of like how I did that, like asking like what they knew about it first, but then I would like make it like a separate, like a separate page and then be like, okay, like this is what they mean, like explain it and then ask what they think after.
Because I still liked having those opinions of what they thought before they knew the actual definitions of them and stuff like that.
Okay.
So the questions, they were more just based on like the census, like I guess like demographic.
Did you ask any questions about like culturally, like the significance?
Like I don’t know, like whether or not it’s accepted in like music or like, I don’t know, in fashion and stuff.
Like was there any questions like that or it was just mainly like demographics, statistical type?
Yeah.
Just demographic type of.
Okay.
And what was like, so you’re saying the thing that surprised you was like the lack of education that some of the students had?
Was there any answers that surprised you?
Like, cause it was anonymous, so you don’t have to mention like people exactly.
Maybe the people that participated are listening, so they might hear their answer, but I mean anonymously, like, were there any answers that surprised you or that you even appreciated?
Like, Oh, you know what?
I didn’t think about it that way.
Like now I appreciate this person’s answer.
Or even just one that like caught you off guard.
I have an interview that caught me off guard.
Okay.
She was like, Oh, so now should we teach our kids to identify themselves as Latinx?
Like what are we supposed to be teaching our kids?
Right, right.
Yeah, true.
Cause it’s like, if you want to be progressive, you have to teach the children the same things so they could pass it along.
But it’s like, if you don’t fully agree, then it’s like, I don’t know if I want to teach my kid like Latin.
And I feel like that, yeah, that gets more of a touchy subject.
Cause I guess it’s based on like, however you want to raise your kid.
Like people get all defensive about like imposing values on their children when they have different value.
Like that’s a, in education, that’s like a huge topic.
Cause I feel like there’s always a lawsuit about like some kid wore some shirt they weren’t supposed to wear.
And then the parents sues.
Cause it’s like, why are you trying to tell my kid what he’s allowed to wear or not wear?
Or like the Pledge of Allegiance or something like, so that’s definitely like a hot topic.
And just a final thoughts like on the article, how it went.
I think this one for being the first one, it was okay.
We could have probably done better, but like we both said, we didn’t know how to word them.
So we had to get help from the faculty, but we didn’t know, like if we were writing them the way that people would understand them.
So probably like go a little bit more into depth with the question, not just keep it very simple.
Okay.
All right.
And as far as the article, like moving forward, do you think you’re going to do more types of articles like this where you get an opinion from students or do you think you’re going to do more like opinion space, features?
Like what do you think in the future for like when you want to write now for El Veloz?
I like this story.
I think I want to like write more stories like this or like stories, you know, about, yeah, like more featurey, like about the culture, about, you know, how people are doing type of thing.
Okay.
Cool.
And for people that want to read the article, is it on an issue coming up or?
Yeah.
It’s on the issue.
Okay.
So when is this issue going to be coming out?
It will be October 21st, next Monday.
We will have a tabling, marketing table at the Student Union.
The marketing table is usually like at 10, I think.
Well, we set up like at 10 and then it starts at 11. 11 or 1, I think I’m pretty sure.
And they’ll also be in all the, what are they called, newsstands?
Yeah.
Yeah.
On Monday.
Yeah.
Okay.
Are we going to have paletas again?
Do you know?
I think we’re having cupcakes.
Not 100% sure.
Paletas were good.
Sorry.
The paletas were way better.
Paletas from La Rosa, dude, that was, dude, the table got so lit after that.
The whole swim team came.
I had like, yeah, I ran out super fast.
How many paletas?
Like 200?
80.
80.
Okay.
It was $200 for 80.
That’s what it was.
But yeah, I ran at 80 paletas quick.
The swim team gobbled up like half of them.
All right.
Well, thank you for stopping by.
One last time, can you say like your title and your name for people?
I’m Brittany Oseguera, the editor-in-chief of El Veloz.
I’m the managing editor for El Veloz, and Jacqueline Garcia Garcia.
Okay, cool.
Thank you guys for stopping by, and I appreciate taking the time out of your day.
All right.
Now transitioning back to our regularly scheduled programming, I have some local news for you guys out of KGET.
The Crimewatch section headlines women wounded by gunfire after struggle with home intruder reports Bakersfield PD.
This is by Jose Franco, and in the article, it talks about a woman who was at home with her infant child, and an intruder broke in, and while struggling with the intruder, she armed herself with a gun and then accidentally shot herself, but the wound was described as minor, and the suspect fled, so that was an interesting Crimewatch article from KGET, and the woman lived in Bakersfield, Yellowstone River Drive in southwest Bakersfield at 5.30 a.m. And there’s also an article from ABC 23 Local News, and this article is from Frasier Park in your neighborhood, and is written by Avery Elowit, and it reads, Pine Mountain Club braces for a big one atop of California’s largest fault.
This article mentions the 2024 Great Shakeout, which starts at 10.17 a.m. on Thursday, October 17, 2024, and it’s preparing for a large earthquake since we do live on the San Andreas fault.
Although currently, I’m in geology, and my professor told me that it’s the only, or like one of the only, transform, yeah, a slip transform fault, and those are like the least damaging because they strike like parallel, side to side, and the ones that actually create like the biggest volcanoes and the most damage are the convergent faults that smash into each other and create mountains, like the Himalayas.
Yeah, you know we had a couple earthquakes last month.
Yeah.
Well, see, most of them are like three point, sort of like five point magnitudes, but like there’ll be huge ones like 10, 13s out in the ocean, like where the convergent boundaries are, and that’s how you get like those huge tsunamis, too.
Oh, yeah.
Those huge volcanoes.
So they’re preparing for that on Thursday with the Great Shakeout.
So the schools will probably be doing that, and I’m not sure, maybe work, like your company might participate, but the Pine Mountain Club is participating in the Great Shakeout on Thursday.
And that is local news over here in Kern County, and now moving on to weather.
On Tuesday the high is 85, Wednesday 81, Thursday 77, and we’re going to cool down on Friday to 72, Saturday to 79, and then back up on Sunday, 83.
And then back to school on Monday, 84 next week.
And that’ll be the weather coming up.
Looks pretty nice.
Oh, yeah.
It feels so nice.
I’m just happy that the 100-degree weather is gone now, because I’ve had it.
It feels especially nice in the morning, like 6 a.m., 7 a.m., like super crisp, so definitely like if you like jogging and stuff on, I think it’s Panorama, like over there, it’s really nice in the morning, and that is the weather.
All right, so moving on to the Renner Archive, I have an interesting topic this week for the Renner Archive, because there’s a pretty distasteful article written for today, October 15th, 1981, and I’m not going to read the article.
And it just, the topic was like negative, and it was asking an opinion of students, and you know, the students gave their honest opinion about what they thought about the topic, but their opinions were like really negative, and kind of hurtful towards the people that they were talking about.
And yeah, I didn’t want to like promote that type of stuff, but it just kind of like got me thinking about like censorship, because I kind of battled with this at first, whether or not I should read the article, and like in the end, I guess it’s up to me, because this is like my platform, really, to like host and promote what I want to promote.
So if I don’t want to promote something negative, like that’s up to me.
But I had to battle on the topic of censorship, and whether or not we should hide history if it’s like distasteful or not to our liking.
Because I don’t think we should, like there’s things that we should talk about that even though if they’re like negative, if they occurred in history, like we shouldn’t hide those things.
But definitely the culture was different in the 80s, it seems like.
So yeah, it was just the runner on October 15th, 1981, they ran an article, Student Opinions, and it reads like an Instagram comment feed, like of people just like bashing negative comment after negative comment.
So it’s just like one, I don’t know, I guess they didn’t see anything wrong with publishing that at the time, and at the same time, you know, there’s no internet, so back then this I guess would have been the comment section, would have been a reaction with people’s direct quotes and like opinions publishing it.
So that would be like the only forum probably that at the time someone could get their opinion out, is by publishing.
So yeah, what do you think Marina, do you think history, like if it’s bad, we should just kind of like, I don’t know, not really promote it, not really bring it up.
Something that’s like violent, maybe we should just not really bring it up, or do you think it’s up to like the news and like the media to kind of like make sure we shine a light on stuff that’s bad, and so that it doesn’t happen again?
I mean, I think it’s, when it comes to publishing, a certain like controversy or something like that in, you know, printed editions of the paper or on the online, or the website, the news websites, I think it like, it’s based on what topic or what kind of issue is going on.
For example, like this wasn’t the article, but this is just another example.
One argument I’ve heard is that we shouldn’t really be, like the mass media shouldn’t cover mass shootings the way that they do, and kind of like, they almost like glorify them in a way, and like they turn the shooter into a celebrity, and it’s almost like people want that celebrity status, so the argument could be made, like if we promote that, then it’s like people are going to want to be more violent.
So I don’t know, like bringing up stuff like that, like those articles and publishing them, like you’re shining a light on it, but is it good to shine a light on it?
I mean, yeah, school shootings are like very hard things to talk about, especially because of that recent shooting that happened like, I think it was like two years ago in Texas, there was a shooting at an elementary school.
What was it again?
I don’t remember the city exactly, but there was a shooting in Texas, and then the cops were criticized as well because they took their time, like going in, like they didn’t want to confront the shooter right away, and a lot of parents were upset because they saw like videos of cops standing outside and not doing anything while the person was inside shooting like kids, so I guess in that sense, like the controversy was brought up because of them showing like what was, I guess the police not really doing well in the situation, but when it comes to stuff like that, like I feel like there’s no right answer, like it’s kind of hard.
Either way, it’s a tragedy.
Yeah, it is a tragedy.
I mean, I guess when it comes to a right answer, they’re probably trying to figure out like why would someone just want to go up to a school and just start shooting people and stuff, especially like with the Columbine shooting that happened years ago back in 1999, because I mean, that was like one of the biggest tragedies ever, and also after that shooting happened, you know, there was also a big controversy about violence in cinema and all that stuff because people want to assume that, oh, violent films or violent video games is the number one cause, is the reason why people became shooters in the first place, like.
Yeah, there’s a crazy story about a person that like was too into the Matrix or something and they thought they were like living in the Matrix, and they like killed their parents, and then they realized like, oh yeah, I’m not in the Matrix, because they went to jail.
And like, actually, I’m not sure if he like, I’m not sure how it ended, but yeah, like there was a lot of controversy on the Matrix after that, because it was like, they were saying, I don’t know, that it was messing with people, and making them think they’re in a simulation, or like music, like certain music, because he was listening to like certain rock and roll, so they were saying like, oh, the rock and roll music was like making him have crazy thoughts, and it’s like, no matter the, like the time, there’s always going to be like, oh, it’s the rock and roll music, or it’s the video games, or it’s the movies, when it’s like, when are we going to get down to like the core problem of like violence and stuff, or like why people do certain whacked out stuff, like mental illness or something.
But that’s, yeah, that’s a different topic.
So yeah, back to censorship, I guess, it would just depend on like tuning into what you want to listen to.
So if you’re into violence and stuff, then that’s what you look for.
And those are the type of games you play, and the movies you watch, and the music you like.
And if you’re more of a peaceful person that likes being outdoors, maybe and into meditation and listening to like soft music that’s calming.
Yeah, I guess just follow what you want to follow.
So yeah, I just wanted to, I don’t know, I guess it’s interesting to see old publications of how people used to think, especially when we just talked about like trying to progress, like and be more inclusive.
And the article that was published was very not inclusive, and very like not progressive.
So yeah, I’m not gonna read it.
But if you see me on campus, and you know I am, I’ll tell you what the article is about.
Or you could even come look at it in the Renner Archive, 1981, October 15.
And you could read what they posted.
So on that same day, previously, so you know, I’ve noticed, I don’t know if you’ve noticed this, but we align a lot with 1981 and 1997 on the days that we podcast.
Because last episode, we had 1997 as well.
And it was talking about the conference that was about to happen, the business conference.
And that would have been Tuesday, the 8th.
And then now October 15.
It talks about how the conference went.
So it shows like images of Larry King talking about his time in the past where he talks about being on the show and raising money.
And yeah, there’s cool pictures of like Larry King, there’s a picture of Jay Leno on here that students captured.
There’s a picture of who’s it was George Bush, but not George W.
Bush.
It was George, the other Bush, H.
Bush, I think.
And we have Yeah, Jay Leno, George and Barbara.
And then pictures of that business conference, like the food vendors and the beer garden, the lines at the Ferris wheel, the bar, the student union section.
So yeah, talks about that huge business conference.
And it would be cool to have something like that today, like where we get to hear from huge business moguls, entertainers and stuff that are like in the entertainment business.
Because do you remember Megan Johnson?
Megan Johnson, staff psychic again?
Oh, yeah, her.
Yeah.
She’s on here.
She talks about meeting Dave Barry.
And then she talks about going on a date with the guy that she fell in love with that Starbucks.
Remember that?
Oh, yeah, that.
So do this girl just like this is her.
This is her blog right here.
She just tells her life story on here.
If I ever meet Meg Johnson, like how old would she be now?
I don’t know.
She was in college in 1997.
Then I mean, she probably was in her 20s back then.
Yeah, it was like 30 years ago.
She probably could be maybe in her 50s, 40s, 50s.
Probably.
I kind of want to like someone needs to find Meg Johnson.
And all blood drive.
Student Health Center.
Do we have blood drives still?
I think I think we do.
I mean, I haven’t heard like any announcements or seen like the blood drive trucks here on campus before.
But I wonder if they still do that.
Yeah, it says we had a fall blood drive October 29.
Yeah, I don’t do blood drives.
No.
I hate needles.
I hate them so badly.
Yeah.
And that’s also the reason why I’m never gonna get a tattoo because I don’t want the needle piercing me.
I don’t have any tattoos, but that’s not why I just don’t trust anyone to not screw up drawing something cool on me.
I only do like those fake temporary tattoos only that’s that’s only for like, if I’m gonna like dress up or cosplay, maybe like cosplay and stuff.
I mean, I did get a temporary tattoo when my mom took me to Vegas for my 21st birthday.
I might have already asked you, but what are you gonna be following?
Probably this year, I’m just gonna be a gypsy.
Okay, I got the idea from the character.
The character Esmeralda from the Disney movie, The Hunchback of Notre Dame.
I haven’t seen that movie in such a long time.
Oh, yeah, it came out back in 96.
Oh, so you can do like the purple scarf with a white top.
Yeah, I found I found a pretty good costume that’s similar to the costume that she wears in the film.
I mean, I did find a replica costume of what she wears in the movie, but it’s like 50 bucks.
The costume that I bought was like 30 bucks, because I was just wanted to not spend too much.
You know what I just randomly thought?
Are there any Disney characters that have tattoos?
Disney characters have tattoos?
I mean, Disney Princess because I know like Maui.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Well, Maui has one because he’s a Samoan.
And you know, Samoan people are known for having those like cultural tattoos on them.
Yeah, and then I’d be like dancing on him.
Oh, Pocahontas.
Oh, yeah, she has a little like a red tattoo on her upper on the upper, the upper right arm.
Yeah, yeah, she has one too.
Because I mean, I guess that’s common for Native Americans because I mean, it’s part of their culture.
Yeah.
And Pocahontas is one of my favorite Disney princesses.
That’s cool.
So Pocahontas is the only tatted princess.
Oh, yeah, I actually met you know what, in January, I met the actress who was who did her voice in that movie.
Irene Bedard, a Native American actress yet she was she was the speaking voice for Pocahontas.
Wow.
So she did the singing too?
No, that was Judy Kuhn.
They got it.
They got a broad.
Judy Kuhn was a Broadway singer.
And she was the singing voice for Pocahontas.
Okay.
Yeah, I didn’t know that.
That’s cool.
Oh, she didn’t move on to.
Oh, I think.
Oh, yeah, I guess she did.
Milan part two, not Milan to Oh, yeah.
And she has less morale.
Oh, she did Pocahontas two.
There’s a Pocahontas two.
There is a sequel.
Yeah, there is a Pocahontas sequel.
I mean, but most fans don’t even like the sequel is because remember, like in the original, there’s the love story between Pocahontas and John Smith.
Yeah.
But in the sea, I know it’s fake, because it’s not historically accurate.
But it’s Hollywood.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But in the sequel, Pocahontas, I mean, because Pocahontas and John Smith basically spent time like apart, but they found their way back to each other.
But she eventually fell in love with another character named John Rolfe, who was Pocahontas is real life husband historically.
So they try to make it back to accurate.
Yeah, they try to make it a little more historically accurate in the sequel.
But but yet, but John Smith and Pocahontas eventually just grew apart.
They never got back together.
And then she ends up with John Rolfe in the sequel at the end.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen part two.
Oh, yeah, because that’s when Pocahontas is go travels to travels all the way.
Oh, yeah, she goes back.
That happens in real life.
Like she goes to England.
She travels to England with John Rolfe to try to negotiate peace between the English and her people that try her tribe.
And yet to avoid like an armada from sail setting sail and her people being wiped out by the English.
Yeah, that actually does happen too.
And then I think she dies before ever going back.
Yeah, she died when she sailed when she and John Rolfe sailed all the way back from England to back to America.
She got sick.
They had a son.
But she eventually got sick with smallpox, I think.
And she died at a very young age.
She was only in her 20s.
Yeah, kind of sad story.
It is a pretty sad story.
You know, learning of a native woman like that being being dying at a young age from a very bad disease.
And she she also had her name changed as well to Rebecca to like a more proper English name.
Yeah.
To try to fit in more in England.
Yeah, that’s kind of like, like Tarzan.
The new Tarzan when he there actually is a film that that does tell the story of Pocahontas, which is more historically accurate.
It’s called A New World.
Huh?
Yeah.
And it does have some pretty legendary like native actors in it as well.
And Christian Bale actually plays John Rolfe because he’s actually in he’s actually English.
I’ve never seen this.
Yeah, on max.
Yeah, dude, I gotta watch this.
Colin Farrell’s in it.
Christian Bale.
Yeah, Colin Farrell is John Rolfe.
I mean, now John Smith in this one.
And then Christian Bale is John Rolfe because he’s actually English.
I thought he was American because I mean, he had an American accent.
Yeah, he has an English accent.
Yeah.
Natural voice.
But when he did Batman Begins, he had an American accent.
I thought he was American.
No, no, that’s like, he was like portraying that accent.
Like his real accent, I think is like English.
Yeah.
Dang, I’ve never seen.
And Colin Farrell, he’s he’s Irish, I think.
Damn, it has a 63% on Rotten Tomatoes though.
But it’s on max.
I could watch it.
It’s nice.
All right, Christian Bale, like he’s sick.
I gotta watch Christian Bale.
The what is it called?
Pioneers?
Yeah.
All right.
A New World came out in 2005.
It’s two hours and 52 minutes.
Well, yeah, when it comes to historical films like these, they’re long.
It kind of looks more like Apocalypto.
Have you ever seen that one?
No.
It’s the one with like the Mayans and the Aztecs, I think.
Oh, yeah.
I actually have actually recently found this book that my mom has.
It’s a it’s a book that talks tells this tells like Mexican history.
And I think I think like for all of us Hispanics or Mexicans, whatever, I think we’re all like descended from the Aztecs.
Yeah, well, there’s different.
There was different, like, tribes at different times, too.
And then there’s different because like the Mayans were different than the Aztecs.
And then they were like, also kind of different times.
But there were times where they did, like coexist.
But the Aztecs were actually kind of seen as like that’s where the whole savage thing comes from, because other tribes weren’t really like them.
Like and then like there’s weird stuff that they would do that like was seen as like an honor to them.
But then other people were like, oh, that’s gruesome.
Like they would wear like other people’s skin.
Oh, yeah.
And then like dance in it.
And so people are like, whoa, those people are crazy.
And I guess that’s how like the English like got the whole like savage term and stuff, because they heard about like, because they probably may have heard of like, what the Aztecs or the Mayans practiced.
But not every tribe was like that.
No, they got banished because of that.
But and then they went to war with another tribe around that time.
And they like, it’s like that a lot of the reason why they couldn’t defend against the Spanish is because there was like a lot of war within the tribes too from ancient history like that they had in the past.
Like, the Aztecs got banished to like this land where it was like nothing but snakes.
But then they would like they were such tough people that they would actually eat the snakes and like live with the snakes.
So then they became known as like the snake people and people like were afraid of them because they’re like, damn, no matter where they go, like, they prosper because they’re so tough.
But yeah, the Aztecs were definitely more like savage than other ones.
Like other tribes.
Yeah, and also the Aztecs practice like human sacrifice and all that stuff.
Yeah, yeah, there’s that too.
But the Mayans I think were like more advanced like building and then there are some people like that were way before even then, like the rubber people, I think they’re called the Olmecs.
And even they had some pyramids.
And they would like certain tribes or experts in certain things like some would be experts in like rubber.
Others would be experts in like archery, or like feathers and stuff.
So they all had like their own thing.
But the Aztecs were known for being the fighters and like the brutal ones.
So that’s probably why they make for a good movie.
But you’ve never seen this movie, Apocalypto?
No, I’ve never seen that one.
It’s a pretty, pretty epic story.
I think it’s Mel Gibson.
Yeah, Mel Gibson.
Oh, yeah.
You know that Mel Gibson, he’s actually the speaking voice of John Smith in Pocahontas, the Disney movie.
Really?
Yeah, he’s the speaking voice.
I totally forgot that.
Yeah, that’s what that’s what he did in that film.
He was a speaking voice.
Isn’t he the one that did Passion of the Christ too?
I don’t know.
But yeah, Apocalypto, this one’s like, I think this guy’s like, this guy’s dad was like the tribe leader.
So he’s like the son, but then his dad gets killed by like the other, I think it’s the Aztecs or the Mayans that are coming in and sacrificing people.
Did Mel Gibson direct this film?
Yeah, he directed it.
Oh, yeah, because he was a director as well.
But remember, he’s also well known for directing and starring in Braveheart.
Yeah, well, he’s yeah, he’s like a big time.
Yeah, incredible historical Scottish film.
Yeah, that one’s Scottish.
Yeah.
But yeah, you should watch this one’s cool.
Kind of gruesome.
I mean, it’s rated R, isn’t it?
Yeah.
And it’s like, sacrificing and yeah, pillaging a village and like people getting their heads bashed in by obsidian rocks.
I mean, hey, I’ve seen I’ve seen like several episodes of the Vikings series.
Oh, is that on HBO?
I think it is.
Yeah.
It’s either on HBO or maybe the History Channel.
HBO series are pretty wild.
Like I used to watch Spartacus.
Did you ever watch any of those like the Roman?
No, I haven’t checked out any of like the Rome, the ancient Rome like shows and stuff.
There was a while where that was kind of popular.
Like 300 came out and it was like Spartacus and like everyone was into like ancient Roman stuff.
Oh, yeah.
And Gerard Butler starring in 300.
I like I want his I want his beard.
He is like, yeah, you know, Gerard Butler Scottish.
Yeah, he’s Scottish.
He doesn’t have an accent, right?
Well, if you watch recent interviews of him, you’ll notice his accent does sound cut.
It sounds like his accent kind of like disappeared a little bit.
But in his early years, it was a little more heavy.
And you know what, you know, Gerard is also an incredible singer because he was the Phantom in Phantom of the Opera.
Which one?
The 2004 one, the movie.
And he was the Phantom.
And if you listen to his singing voice, oh my god, he he he has such an incredible voice.
A musical by Andrew Lloyd?
Andrew Lloyd Webber.
He was the one who wrote Phantom.
This one?
Yeah.
So this is Gerard?
That’s not Gerard.
Yes, it is.
That is him.
Oh, yeah.
And Emmy Rossum as his Christine.
When did this come out?
2004.
That was 20 years ago.
And that’s one of my favorite musicals, because I mean, if you listen to Gerard singing the song Music of the Night, like, oh my god, it makes my heart melt so much because he has such a soothing singing voice.
You know, I might have to listen to it because we have a choir concert coming up on Halloween.
I need to find inspiration.
Yeah, you need to because Gerard was actually in a rock band in his early years before he eventually like became an actor.
Yeah, that’s cool.
I didn’t know.
How do you know so much about?
Oh, because you’re into Scottish people, huh?
Because I love well, yeah, because you know, I follow a lot of Scottish actors because you know, I’m also I’ve also have fallen in love with the country because ever since I started watching the Outlander series, that time travel romance series.
When are you going to visit it?
I want I want to go visit Scotland so badly, but that probably won’t be until the near future because I got to work hard to save up so I can travel to all the places I want to go in the future.
Yeah, that’s a cool goal, though.
You want to go travel to Scotland.
I found so many historic so many Scottish history books that I’ve saved on my Amazon wishlist because I want to read them all.
I want to buy them, eventually learn everything about the history, the culture, and I also want to learn about other countries as well.
So is that so Scottish is similar but different to Irish, right?
Well, I well, you’ll tell you can tell that the accent that Irish and Scottish people have is different.
Because I mean, Scotland, Ireland and England are all part of the United Kingdom.
But yeah, but you know, but there was a time when like the Scottish were fighting the British.
Yeah, they were fighting for their independence.
Yeah, because the Scotland is still under British control.
And then they eventually like led to a great battle like the Battle of Culloden, which is featured in Outlander.
Yeah, but it eventually led to the Scottish being defeated.
The Jacobites were defeated.
And the basically the whole Highlander way of culture was basically wiped out by the British.
And Highlanders are like the same as Vikings.
They’re similar, they are kind of similar.
We’re like the Highlanders, they were, you know, the famous kilts, they talked in the Gaelic language, they basically lived a different lifestyle from the British.
So are there any, um, like Scottish, like, like Irish people have St.
Patrick’s Day, I guess, what from what I heard, Mexicans even have like Cinco de Mayo.
Well, from what I heard, well, from what I heard, they, I heard that the Irish don’t really celebrate St.
Patrick’s Day like we do here in America.
Yeah, it’s kind of like Cinco de Mayo.
I think it’s because of like religious, like religious reasons.
Because I think the Irish are like Catholic.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
Well, wrapping up our Latin heritage episode with some Scottish history.
I hope you guys I learned a lot today about the difference between Hispanic, Latino, Latina, Latina, Latinx.
Oh, yeah, I think I kind of identify myself more Hispanic, I think, because I’m Mexican American.
Yeah.
But yeah, I always thought I identified more as like Chicano because I was born here.
And I’m from California.
But my parents were born in Mexico.
Well, one of my parents.
So I guess, but for sure Hispanic because I speak Spanish.
Oh, yeah.
My grandparents are from Mexico.
And they immigrated here years ago.
My dad was born in Wasco.
Yeah, he was born and raised in Wasco.
He eventually moved here.
Yeah, so I think I would identify as Hispanic, but more Chicano, if anything.
Because I guess the main difference would be like, if you’re Chicano, you would still like English could still be your first language.
And Hispanic would be more like Spanish.
And then Latin, like she was saying is like Brazilian.
So yeah, definitely got schooled today on that.
So that was cool.
I hope you guys learned a lot.
And that’ll conclude today’s episode is October 15th, your eighth episode of Runner On Air.
I’m your host, Jay Cortes.
And I am your co host, Marina Gonzalez.
And we’ll see you guys next Tuesday.
Take care of runners.